Feature changed by: Brian Doe (briandoe) Feature #313062, revision 3 Title: Simplified install workflow openSUSE Distribution: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Desirable Requested by: Lars Müller (lmuelle) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: The install work flow should be as simple as possible. Therefore it should consider the view of a non IT person and only ask real key questions. Why are we asking a user about which desktop environment they like to use? A Linux beginner doesn't care about KDE or Gnome Even the summary before the installation should be as comprehensive as possible in the default mode. Network configuration isn't required in 80, 90 or more % of the use cases. If there we get an IP address offered by DHCP don't bother the user even with a summary. Most users intend to use their computer as easy as possible. Therefore less questions asked will result in a smoother experience. This issue had been initially discussed as part of this thread http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2011-12/msg00382.html Discussion: #1: Per Jessen (pjessen) (2011-12-08 20:07:04) Apologies for the poor analogy, but perhaps we should borrow from Windows here - few questions, one-size-fits-all. As opposed to MS, we would however open our entire palette of options when asked to do so. I am not advocating dumbing down anything, but simplifying the basic installation for non-IT people would be a Good Thing(R). + #2: Brian Doe (briandoe) (2011-12-10 22:40:38) + I like this idea, to a point. I agree that there needs to be a + simplified installation process for new users and new Windows converts, + but more advanced and veteran users may not like the simplification. + The best way to implement something like this is to, at the start of + the installation, offer a choice between Easy and Advanced installation + modes. In Easy mode, installation would proceed with minimal questions + asked, with the installer making intelligent default choices based on + average use case; the Advanced mode would prompt the user for every + installation choice. The current list of installation questions could + be a third, Intermediate installation choice. -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/313062

Feature changed by: melchiaros melchiaros (melchiaros) Feature #313062, revision 5 Title: Simplified install workflow openSUSE Distribution: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Desirable Requested by: Lars Müller (lmuelle) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: The install work flow should be as simple as possible. Therefore it should consider the view of a non IT person and only ask real key questions. Why are we asking a user about which desktop environment they like to use? A Linux beginner doesn't care about KDE or Gnome Even the summary before the installation should be as comprehensive as possible in the default mode. Network configuration isn't required in 80, 90 or more % of the use cases. If there we get an IP address offered by DHCP don't bother the user even with a summary. Most users intend to use their computer as easy as possible. Therefore less questions asked will result in a smoother experience. This issue had been initially discussed as part of this thread http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2011-12/msg00382.html Discussion: #1: Per Jessen (pjessen) (2011-12-08 20:07:04) Apologies for the poor analogy, but perhaps we should borrow from Windows here - few questions, one-size-fits-all. As opposed to MS, we would however open our entire palette of options when asked to do so. I am not advocating dumbing down anything, but simplifying the basic installation for non-IT people would be a Good Thing(R). #2: Brian Doe (briandoe) (2011-12-10 22:40:38) I like this idea, to a point. I agree that there needs to be a simplified installation process for new users and new Windows converts, but more advanced and veteran users may not like the simplification. The best way to implement something like this is to, at the start of the installation, offer a choice between Easy and Advanced installation modes. In Easy mode, installation would proceed with minimal questions asked, with the installer making intelligent default choices based on average use case; the Advanced mode would prompt the user for every installation choice. The current list of installation questions could be a third, Intermediate installation choice. #3: Lars Müller (lmuelle) (2011-12-11 00:51:56) (reply to #2) The intention is to keep the current work flow unmodified. But it will only get visible to the user if the 'Expert Mode' is chosen. The only visible change will be very soon at the beginning. There we'll see a small button labeled 'Expert Mode'. The other 'Default Mode' will be more prominent visible and make it as easy as possible by asking as less as possible questions. It's already a bit easier at the moment if you decide for the KDE or Gnome install image. But who is telling a beginner which one to use? That's why I believe we need something like this. Please also check the thread referenced in the description to get a bit longer discussion of the topic. + #4: melchiaros melchiaros (melchiaros) (2011-12-11 13:33:53) + Yes, a simplification possibility would be fine to a system that is + simple at whole, but on this stage of development I can´t see this at + openSUSE in diff to ubuntu with unity. So what you would get is a very + simplified installation process and than a hard step to the not so + guided openSUSE system. It would be partial similar to fedora. Easy + installation and then loosing of hairs. Making radical simplification + to one part of the core system needs a radical simplification of the + whole core. Smoothing system behavior should be come with time and not + in a moment of power hacking. -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/313062