Feature changed by: Alexander Mityunin (xandry)
Feature #306982, revision 20
Title: Create an open SLES
openSUSE-11.2: Rejected by Stephan Kulow (coolo)
reject date: 2009-08-12 16:38:23
reject reason: 11.2 will not be an open SLES. If you want to found a
new distribution, go ahead. But don't redefine 11.2
Requested by: Stephen Shaw (decriptor)
Partner organization: openSUSE.org
It would be great to have something like centos but that is based off
of SLES. This would give people the abililty to use openSLES (for
example) and move over to SLES if needed. I believe it would help to
grow our user base in the enterprise as well by allowing small
companies to start and grow and later move to a supported model. I
don't think we would loss customers as these are the people that
probably wouldn't be buying licenses in the first place. As they
grow this could completely change and they would be well positioned to
buy support from Novell.
- Make openSUSE releases with more life time than 18 months.
#1: Stephen Shaw (decriptor) (2009-07-29 19:29:57)
I think there are tons of good reasons for this. Please add them as
#2: Alexandre Rogoski (aledr) (2009-07-29 20:23:22)
We offer server services to a lot of our customers and we use openSUSE
for their server since years ago. They like to know that openSUSE is
enhanced by Novell, it gives credibility to openSUSE. And as soon as
their business grow they can turn on Novell customers too.
I guess this is a commom scenario around the world.
#3: Stephan Kleine (bitshuffler) (2009-07-29 21:41:44)
Actually, with the current decision to reduce the lifetime to 2
releases + 2 months (with the current "one release every 8 months"
policy lifetime get's reduced to 75% from former 24 months to mere 18)
this is more important than ever because most wont bother installing a
server with such a short lifetime.
It was said that the community is free to create a community supported
LTS and Novell will help to provide the necessary infrastructure but
will not help by maintaining any packages. I really doubt there are
that many people able to properly backport e.g. security fixes and
drivers for the kernel and so on which is why I think the idea of a
"cummunity supported LTS" wont work (or at least wont produce anything
one wants to run on a public server).
Therefore I would like to suggest the following: Create a LTS version
based on the openSUSE version on which SLE is based and also apply the
SLE fixes to it with a lifetime of 3-5 years. Perhaps reduce it to what
is needed on a server without any X, KDE, Gnome et al so it should be
quite some work less, compared to the "full" system, and since it is
done anyways for SLE it shouldn't matter that much anyways.
That way one could be comfortable to have a professionaly maintained
system without any dangling sword of Damocles (which is IMHO how a
"community maintained LTS" sounds).
Why doesn't that harm Novell / SLE sales:
1) It would be an easy entry level to get a professional server OS for
free and then later update to SLE once support / more is needed. I
can't provide any numbers but currently you have the choice between
CentOS, Debian and Ubuntu (somehow). Naturally people who install
CentOS wont switch to SLE once they need support but to RHEL since it's
pretty much the same.
2) If you concentrate on the server there's no chance it could harm
3) Novell targets only big sales. That would be an easy entry point for
smaller corporations who then will upgrade to SLE once they need
support / more. Last but not least that's also the reason why their
fear that an openSLE will decrease SLE sales is a big logical fail in
the first place.
4) Red Hat apparently is doing mighty fine not albeight there is CentOS
but because of it.
Also, together with Ubuntu, we were the only distro to offer a LTS
edition. Contrary to theirs ours would work ;D
So, IMHO creating an openSUSE LTS would really help SLE but merely
"community supported" without SLE patches it wont happen.
#5: Andreas Jaeger (a_jaeger) (2009-08-12 10:41:46) (reply to #3)
If somebody wants to do openSUSE support for longer than the 18months,
that's possible as well but will not be done by Novell engineers.
#4: Jan Engelhardt (jengelh) (2009-08-09 14:34:11)
SUSE products are IMHO mature enough and there's free support (and I
would claim we have more lightbulbs than others too) to warrant not
having an extra LTS edition to worry about.
And on the other hand, LTS is a headache for volunteer supporters that
would need to get their heads into totally outdated systems when a lost
soul comes along.
#6: Ralph Ulrich (ulenrich) (2009-09-05 16:04:14)
A more radical view:
- openSUSE should release every year (12 months) with 18 months support
but a perfect zyppper dup distribution-upgrade for the enthusiasts
- an open SLE community supported edition with longer support for the
tiny commercial business
That eases upgrades to commercial support and conforms more to the
The big TODO in this scenario is a working zypper dup. The more often
openSUSE release should be no problem since factory work like a charm
and could be released soon. Just put there less new features in a new
#7: Christian Quante (chrischaan) (2009-09-26 14:22:31)
I'm using openSUSE (and SuSE Linux) for a long time as server OS. It
fits all my needs and I knew how to handle it. But most of the time it
is very outdated. At the moment it runs with openSUSE 10.2 and cries
for update. I haven't got the time to install a new OS every year, so I
take a look at Scientific Linux / CentOS. The lifetime is seven years!
The problem: I have to learn how to handle such OS.
A distribution-upgrade in this case is not what I prefer, because the
changing in server applications sometimes is very massive. In a server
os lifetime there's no changing of services. All the things remains the
same and that's what I prefer.
I would be very happy to see an openSLES with a long lifetime. As my
server is only for private, I would never buy a commercial server os.
But if I knew how to handle such server os, I may try to use it at work
too. That would be the commercial version then.
#8: Jan Engelhardt (jengelh) (2009-10-07 16:59:17) (reply to #7)
I'm using openSUSE [..] most of the time it is
very outdated. At the
moment it runs with openSUSE 10.2 [...] so I take a look at
Linux / CentOS.
If you are comparing 10.2 (releases many moons ago) with CentOS 5.3
(rather recent), you are doing an unfair comparison.
#9: Martin Seidler (pistazienfresser) (2010-12-31 20:35:12)
I think openFATE #310963 Make openSUSE releases with more life time
than 18 months. https://features.opensuse.org/310963
is ether related
or a duplicate (may depend on the definitions)
+ #10: Alexander Mityunin (xandry) (2011-10-03 07:23:30) (reply to #9)
+ Not duplicate. This is diffirent features.