I have problems getting my dual screens to work.
The card: ASUS NVIDIA GeForce 8600 GT Silent - GPU G84
Screen 1 is no problem. The problem is when I would like to configure the second screen. I am unable to select anywhere to configure the second screen. I do want a standard two individual screens, so no cloned multihead or xinerama. I run Windowmaker on openSUSE 11.2 Milestone 6
What I tried was in init 3 run sax2 and then `sax2 -b /usr/share/sax/profile/NVidia_DualHead` and neither of them showed the ability for the second display.
So how can I configure the second display (except for trying to figure out how it can be done manually)
houghi
Il sabato 29 agosto 2009, houghi scrisse:
I have problems getting my dual screens to work.
The card: ASUS NVIDIA GeForce 8600 GT Silent - GPU G84
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So how can I configure the second display (except for trying to figure out how it can be done manually)
Try with nvidia-settings.
Bye.
Quoting Daniele kailed@kailed.net:
Il sabato 29 agosto 2009, houghi scrisse:
I have problems getting my dual screens to work.
The card: ASUS NVIDIA GeForce 8600 GT Silent - GPU G84
...
So how can I configure the second display (except for trying to figure out how it can be done manually)
Try with nvidia-settings.
On factory?
pasta:~ # nvidia-settings If 'nvidia-settings' is not a typo you can use command-not-found to lookup the package that contains it, like this: cnf nvidia-settings pasta:~ # cnf nvidia-settings nvidia-settings: command not found. searching ...
So that is not an option.
houghi
Il sabato 29 agosto 2009, houghi@houghi.org scrisse:
Try with nvidia-settings.
On factory?
Wyh not ?
pasta:~ # nvidia-settings If 'nvidia-settings' is not a typo you can use command-not-found to lookup the package that contains it, like this: cnf nvidia-settings pasta:~ # cnf nvidia-settings nvidia-settings: command not found. searching ...
So that is not an option.
I dont understand why.. Myabe I'm wrong but i think you need Nvidia driver for dual screens. Bye.
Quoting Daniele kailed@kailed.net:
Il sabato 29 agosto 2009, houghi@houghi.org scrisse:
Try with nvidia-settings.
On factory?
Wyh not ?
Because that is not yet available for Factory. Perhaps when it is official. At least I do not find them. If somebody can point me to any driver for openSUSE 11.2 I would very much appriciate that.
pasta:~ # nvidia-settings If 'nvidia-settings' is not a typo you can use command-not-found to lookup the package that contains it, like this: cnf nvidia-settings pasta:~ # cnf nvidia-settings nvidia-settings: command not found. searching ...
So that is not an option.
I dont understand why.. Myabe I'm wrong but i think you need Nvidia driver for dual screens. Bye.
I do not need 3d or anything like that and it worked in the past. Sure, it will work better once the NVidia drivers from NVidia are out.
houghi
Quoting houghi@houghi.org:
Quoting Daniele kailed@kailed.net:
Il sabato 29 agosto 2009, houghi@houghi.org scrisse:
Try with nvidia-settings.
On factory?
Wyh not ?
Because that is not yet available for Factory. Perhaps when it is official. At least I do not find them. If somebody can point me to any driver for openSUSE 11.2 I would very much appriciate that.
pasta:~ # nvidia-settings If 'nvidia-settings' is not a typo you can use command-not-found to lookup the package that contains it, like this: cnf nvidia-settings pasta:~ # cnf nvidia-settings nvidia-settings: command not found. searching ...
So that is not an option.
I dont understand why.. Myabe I'm wrong but i think you need Nvidia driver for dual screens. Bye.
I do not need 3d or anything like that and it worked in the past. Sure, it will work better once the NVidia drivers from NVidia are out.
Tried it with the NVidia drivers. I understand that many others have no problems, I do. See below.
OK, I went to http://en.opensuse.org/NVIDIA/The_hard_way Installed the prerequisites, downloaded http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86_64/185.18.36/NVIDIA-Linux-x8...
and ran that in tty after `init 3`.
Next I started with `init 5` logged in and after `su -` ran `nvidia-settings`. I was able to select the mode I wanted. Logged out and went to `init 3` again.
Now the fun starts. 1) When I do `init 5` I am unable to go back to tty1-6. I must select to go CLI mode. That means I do not have CLI and GUI next to each other. Not realy acceptable. 2) I am unable to start Windowmaker. It just bounces back to the login 3) KDE shows me a screen0. Screen1 shows a cross when I move to it.
I do understand that the reaction might be: but that is a closed source driver, ask NVidia, which is the reason I wanted to solve it with the standard tools in the first place.
So if anybody has any ideas on what to do. That way I can file a bugreport and hope that it is put in, so I was the only person who lost a bit time over it.
houghi
houghi@houghi.org pecked at the keyboard and wrote:
Quoting houghi@houghi.org:
Quoting Daniele kailed@kailed.net:
Il sabato 29 agosto 2009, houghi@houghi.org scrisse:
Try with nvidia-settings.
On factory?
Wyh not ?
Because that is not yet available for Factory. Perhaps when it is official. At least I do not find them. If somebody can point me to any driver for openSUSE 11.2 I would very much appriciate that.
pasta:~ # nvidia-settings If 'nvidia-settings' is not a typo you can use command-not-found to lookup the package that contains it, like this: cnf nvidia-settings pasta:~ # cnf nvidia-settings nvidia-settings: command not found. searching ...
So that is not an option.
I dont understand why.. Myabe I'm wrong but i think you need Nvidia driver for dual screens. Bye.
I do not need 3d or anything like that and it worked in the past. Sure, it will work better once the NVidia drivers from NVidia are out.
Tried it with the NVidia drivers. I understand that many others have no problems, I do. See below.
OK, I went to http://en.opensuse.org/NVIDIA/The_hard_way Installed the prerequisites, downloaded http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86_64/185.18.36/NVIDIA-Linux-x8...
and ran that in tty after `init 3`.
Next I started with `init 5` logged in and after `su -` ran `nvidia-settings`. I was able to select the mode I wanted. Logged out and went to `init 3` again.
Now the fun starts.
- When I do `init 5` I am unable to go back to tty1-6. I must select to
go CLI mode. That means I do not have CLI and GUI next to each other. Not realy acceptable.
I am running the 185.18.31 version and do not have this problem so I cannot help further.
- I am unable to start Windowmaker. It just bounces back to the login
- KDE shows me a screen0. Screen1 shows a cross when I move to it.
houghi
Ken
Il sabato 29 agosto 2009, houghi@houghi.org scrisse:
Quoting Daniele kailed@kailed.net:
Il sabato 29 agosto 2009, houghi@houghi.org scrisse:
Try with nvidia-settings.
On factory?
Wyh not ?
Because that is not yet available for Factory. Perhaps when it is
Right, you have to download it from nvidia's website. http://www.nvidia.com/object/unix.html
Oh and you need, kernel-source, gcc & C. Bye.
Daniele pecked at the keyboard and wrote:
Il sabato 29 agosto 2009, houghi@houghi.org scrisse:
Try with nvidia-settings.
On factory?
Wyh not ?
Exactly, install the driver manually until 12.2 is released. That's what I'm doing.
Ken
Quoting Ken Schneider - Factory suse-list3@bout-tyme.net:
Daniele pecked at the keyboard and wrote:
Il sabato 29 agosto 2009, houghi@houghi.org scrisse:
Try with nvidia-settings.
On factory?
Wyh not ?
Exactly, install the driver manually until 12.2 is released. That's what I'm doing.
Is there no other way to do it? If it is not possible, I would like to know that. After all, this is Factory and it is one of the things I am testing to improve the quality of openSUSE. ;-)
houghi
On Saturday 29 August 2009 11:22:04 am houghi@houghi.org wrote:
Is there no other way to do it? If it is not possible, I would like to know that. After all, this is Factory and it is one of the things I am testing to improve the quality of openSUSE.
Pick the driver from nvidia site, install kernel-syms (provides -obj directory and files in it, needed for module compilation), then gcc and make, which should be enough.
Kernel sources should be not needed as linux-obj is now in kernel-syms.
And happy compiling.
On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 05:44:11PM -0500, Rajko M. wrote:
On Saturday 29 August 2009 11:22:04 am houghi@houghi.org wrote:
Is there no other way to do it? If it is not possible, I would like to know that. After all, this is Factory and it is one of the things I am testing to improve the quality of openSUSE.
Pick the driver from nvidia site, install kernel-syms (provides -obj directory and files in it, needed for module compilation), then gcc and make, which should be enough.
I did that. http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_amd64_185.18.36.html
Kernel sources should be not needed as linux-obj is now in kernel-syms.
Having them installed should not be bad.
And happy compiling.
I ran the *.run and then ran nvidea-settings. That resulted in Windowmaker being unable to start and under KDE the screen0 works, but screen1 shows a cross when I go over it.
So it does not work, which could be a potential issue for when it is released.
houghi
On Saturday 29 August 2009 03:35:36 pm houghi wrote: ...
I ran the *.run and then ran nvidea-settings. That resulted in Windowmaker being unable to start and under KDE the screen0 works, but screen1 shows a cross when I go over it.
So it does not work, which could be a potential issue for when it is released.
houghi
There is quite few options that nvidia-xconfig can handle. Keywords are twinview and xinerama.
On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 02:04:23AM -0500, Rajko M. wrote:
On Saturday 29 August 2009 03:35:36 pm houghi wrote: ...
I ran the *.run and then ran nvidea-settings. That resulted in Windowmaker being unable to start and under KDE the screen0 works, but screen1 shows a cross when I go over it.
So it does not work, which could be a potential issue for when it is released.
houghi
There is quite few options that nvidia-xconfig can handle. Keywords are twinview and xinerama.
Would it be possible to elaborate on that a bit?
I asume twinview is having identical screens and xinerama one large screen. I want neither.
Also I am now not able to do [CTRL][ALT][F1] to go to CLI.
houghi
On Saturday 29 August 2009 04:13:31 pm houghi wrote:
On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 02:04:23AM -0500, Rajko M. wrote:
On Saturday 29 August 2009 03:35:36 pm houghi wrote: ...
I ran the *.run and then ran nvidea-settings. That resulted in Windowmaker being unable to start and under KDE the screen0 works, but screen1 shows a cross when I go over it.
So it does not work, which could be a potential issue for when it is released.
houghi
There is quite few options that nvidia-xconfig can handle. Keywords are twinview and xinerama.
Would it be possible to elaborate on that a bit?
I asume twinview is having identical screens and xinerama one large screen. I want neither.
The Twinview is the same as Xinerama, I used it before. It is Nvidia specialty. Why they give both options I don't know. The README that you can see in sources after running 'sh Nvidia....run -x' could have explanation. BTW, -x is expand and works, but --expand that is the same ends in error. Thar happened with older Nvidia driver source, on 11.2 M6.
Also I am now not able to do [CTRL][ALT][F1] to go to CLI.
No need, just regular xterm and 'su -' are enough. All you need is to give nvidia-xconfig access to xorg.conf. When done, just restart Xorg.
On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 03:07:24AM -0500, Rajko M. wrote:
The Twinview is the same as Xinerama, I used it before. It is Nvidia specialty.
I do not want that. I want the standard two different session stuff where I can NOT move programs from the left screen to the right screen.
Why they give both options I don't know. The README that you can see in sources after running 'sh Nvidia....run -x' could have explanation.
OK, I will look there, if I can find it.
BTW, -x is expand and works, but --expand that is the same ends in error. Thar happened with older Nvidia driver source, on 11.2 M6.
Mmm. That is an option I did not see when I tried `nvidia-xconfig -A|less` Will reboot to 11.2 M6 and try it there. I will also try to install the 32-bit and see if the same happens there.
Also I am now not able to do [CTRL][ALT][F1] to go to CLI.
No need, just regular xterm and 'su -' are enough.
I understand that. However this is factory and not being able to go to tty1-6 is an issue as that would be expected behaviour. If it is not expected behaviour it should idealy be solved or be documented.
All you need is to give nvidia-xconfig access to xorg.conf. When done, just restart Xorg.
I understand that. I am trying to find a way to get things working as I would expect them to work and how they used to work in the past. e.g. have the ability of tty1-12 where 7-9 are for GUI. And if I can NOT get them to work, file bugreports, which is why i would rather have a complete openSUSE solution first, so that I can file the bug there. Otherwise openSUSE will point to NVidia and NVidia will point to openSUSE.
I do have a solution for me and that is to just pop in the second videocard I pulled out before the installation. So I am not looking for a solution for me I found something that might be an issue for others and it would be good to know if there is a solution once 11.2 hits the shellfs or if there is not. And if a solution is possible, it would be great if we can already implement that solution.
houghi
Quoting houghi houghi@houghi.org:
On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 03:07:24AM -0500, Rajko M. wrote:
The Twinview is the same as Xinerama, I used it before. It is Nvidia specialty.
I do not want that. I want the standard two different session stuff where I can NOT move programs from the left screen to the right screen.
Does not seem to be possible, what I want and what I was able to do in the past for a few years already.
BTW, -x is expand and works, but --expand that is the same ends in error. Thar happened with older Nvidia driver source, on 11.2 M6.
Mmm. That is an option I did not see when I tried `nvidia-xconfig -A|less` Will reboot to 11.2 M6 and try it there. I will also try to install the 32-bit and see if the same happens there.
Ok, you were talking about sax2 -x , not nvidia-xconfig -x. Sorry. Tried that and in sax2 I have the following options when I select "Activate Dual Head Mode" Cloned Multihead Xinerama Multihead
With nvidia-settings I have: Disabled Seperate X screen (requires X restart) TwinView
When I try the Seprate X screen, I am unable to run Windowmaker and KDE only one screen works.
Is anybody else able to run in `Seperate X Screen` either by using sax2, nvidia-* or editing xorg.conf? Please let me know, so I know if ithis is a very specific issue with the card, with NVidia or with sax2. Please also let know if you have an ATI card or Matrox.
Unfortunatly I do not have my matrox card anymore, so I can't test it.
houghi
On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 09:17:32AM +0200, houghi wrote:
I do have a solution for me and that is to just pop in the second videocard I pulled out before the installation.
OK, it is worse the I thought. The problem stays the same after putting the second card in. The card wors, but in the same way as the dual screen works.
So either the same display, or xinerama. No two X sessions.
This is a serious step back. I had it working on 11.0 and will install that to see if that still works.
houghi
Il domenica 30 agosto 2009, houghi scrisse:
On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 09:17:32AM +0200, houghi wrote:
I do have a solution for me and that is to just pop in the second videocard I pulled out before the installation.
OK, it is worse the I thought. The problem stays the same after putting the second card in. The card wors, but in the same way as the dual screen works.
Sorry I dont know how to help you more. Asking on Nvidia's forum might help. I can only say that all is working fine here with Nvidia and single screen/head.
Good luck.
On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 12:40:28PM +0200, Daniele wrote:
Sorry I dont know how to help you more.
Thanks anyway.
Asking on Nvidia's forum might help. I can only say that all is working fine here with Nvidia and single screen/head.
Are you able to run seperate screens, or just the Xinerama/Twinview?
houghi
On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 8:20 AM, houghihoughi@houghi.org wrote:
I have problems getting my dual screens to work.
The card: ASUS NVIDIA GeForce 8600 GT Silent - GPU G84
Screen 1 is no problem. The problem is when I would like to configure the second screen. I am unable to select anywhere to configure the second screen. I do want a standard two individual screens, so no cloned multihead or xinerama. I run Windowmaker on openSUSE 11.2 Milestone 6
What I tried was in init 3 run sax2 and then `sax2 -b /usr/share/sax/profile/NVidia_DualHead` and neither of them showed the ability for the second display.
So how can I configure the second display (except for trying to figure out how it can be done manually)
houghi
Why are you ruling out Xinerama?
Several months ago I went into sax2 and enabled Xinerama mode in a side by side config on my laptop. I was running kde 4.2.2 with opensuse 11.1 at the time. It worked fine for what I tested. I definitely had 2 screens and the mouse would move from screen to screen.
I don't have a gui at all on that laptop at the moment so I can't test factory.
Greg
On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 10:23:23AM -0400, Greg Freemyer wrote:
On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 8:20 AM, houghihoughi@houghi.org wrote:
I have problems getting my dual screens to work.
The card: ASUS NVIDIA GeForce 8600 GT Silent - GPU G84
Screen 1 is no problem. The problem is when I would like to configure the second screen. I am unable to select anywhere to configure the second screen. I do want a standard two individual screens, so no cloned multihead or xinerama. I run Windowmaker on openSUSE 11.2 Milestone 6
What I tried was in init 3 run sax2 and then `sax2 -b /usr/share/sax/profile/NVidia_DualHead` and neither of them showed the ability for the second display.
So how can I configure the second display (except for trying to figure out how it can be done manually)
cat > /etc/X11/xorg.conf << EOF Section "Screen" SubSection "Display" Depth 24 Virtual 3840 1920 EndSubSection EOF
On X use krandrtray, gnome-display-properties or xrandr to configure a side-by-side setup.
Hope this helps.
Stefan
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Quoting Stefan Dirsch sndirsch@suse.de:
cat > /etc/X11/xorg.conf << EOF Section "Screen" SubSection "Display" Depth 24 Virtual 3840 1920 EndSubSection EOF
I tried this and then X would not start up again, so I placed the xorg.conf copy back. I dit a new installation and after running sax2, I now have identical images on both screens. Still not what I want, but a bit more.
On X use krandrtray, gnome-display-properties or xrandr to configure a side-by-side setup.
If you mean two times the same display, that works, but is not what I need.
houghi
On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 06:09:30PM +0200, houghi@houghi.org wrote:
Quoting Stefan Dirsch sndirsch@suse.de:
cat > /etc/X11/xorg.conf << EOF Section "Screen" SubSection "Display" Depth 24 Virtual 3840 1920 EndSubSection EOF
I tried this and then X would not start up again, so I placed the xorg.conf copy back.
This one should work better.
cat > /etc/X11/xorg.conf << EOF Section "Device" Identifier "Device[0]" Driver "nv" EndSection
Section "Screen" SubSection "Display" Depth 24 Virtual 3840 1920 EndSubSection Identifier "Screen[0]" Device "Device[0]" EndSection EOF
I dit a new installation and after running sax2, I now have identical images on both screens. Still not what I want, but a bit more.
On X use krandrtray, gnome-display-properties or xrandr to configure a side-by-side setup.
If you mean two times the same display, that works, but is not what I need.
No, I mean one big screen with two monitors.
What you would need for your setup is using the proprietary NVIDIA driver and running
sax2 -r -m 0=nvidia -b NVidia_DualHead
Best regards, Stefan
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On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 01:24:01AM +0200, Stefan Dirsch wrote:
This one should work better.
cat > /etc/X11/xorg.conf << EOF Section "Device" Identifier "Device[0]" Driver "nv" EndSection
Section "Screen" SubSection "Display" Depth 24 Virtual 3840 1920 EndSubSection Identifier "Screen[0]" Device "Device[0]" EndSection EOF
OK, will try that. Are you sure that the "3840 1920" should not read "3840 1200" as my scvreens are 1920(x2)x1200?
No, I mean one big screen with two monitors.
Not what I am realy after, but will test anyway.
What you would need for your setup is using the proprietary NVIDIA driver and running
sax2 -r -m 0=nvidia -b NVidia_DualHead
On the wiki is says that the -m should not be needed but will try and report back.
houghi
On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 09:20:55AM +0200, houghi wrote:
On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 01:24:01AM +0200, Stefan Dirsch wrote:
This one should work better.
cat > /etc/X11/xorg.conf << EOF Section "Device" Identifier "Device[0]" Driver "nv" EndSection
Section "Screen" SubSection "Display" Depth 24 Virtual 3840 1920 EndSubSection Identifier "Screen[0]" Device "Device[0]" EndSection EOF
OK, will try that. Are you sure that the "3840 1920" should not read "3840 1200" as my scvreens are 1920(x2)x1200?
3840x1200 is enough, if you don't want to rotate your screens, yes. I didn't know the resolutions of your monitors and your requirements.
No, I mean one big screen with two monitors.
Not what I am realy after, but will test anyway.
What you would need for your setup is using the proprietary NVIDIA driver and running
sax2 -r -m 0=nvidia -b NVidia_DualHead
On the wiki is says that the -m should not be needed but will try and report back.
You need it, unless you use the official openSUSE RPMs, which simply don't exist yet for 11.2 for known reasons (kBABI changes all the time during development).
Best regards, Stefan
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Quoting Greg Freemyer greg.freemyer@gmail.com:
Why are you ruling out Xinerama?
Because I want more then 1 desktop on each screen. (Also a reason why I do not use compiz and the like). I want to see them at different moments. e.g. when watching a movie on screen 1, desktop 1 I can still go between desktop 1 and desktop 2 on screen 2.
houghi
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