Am 10.02.12, 10:00 +0100 schrieb Dominique Leuenberger a.k.a DimStar:

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Hi Factory contributors,

It's been a while that I invested time in Compiz and the move of various desktop environments to be compositing themselves made compiz for big parts obsoleted... given, it still has nice effects but I am not even sure how well and if it currently works in Factory...

And as I don't use compiz anymore myself, there is only little use in claiming maintenership on it anymore: I would only run after issues instead of pro-actively taking care of them.

Compiz upstream is mainly busy adjusting it for ubuntu unity.

If nobody steps up to take over compiz maintainership within a week, I will file drop requests for the various compiz packages. It's better to not ship anything nobody tests rather than ship it non-functional.

Looking forward for your offers to take over!

I'm happy to announce here that Kai-Uwe Behrmann has accepted the challenges of maintaining Compiz for openSUSE.

Please join me in wishing him all the best. The chalenges around compiz, which links against gnome and kde, both fast moving targets, can be complex at times. But I am sure Kai-Uwe will manage those just well.

Best regards, Dominique

Thanks. The Compiz repository is intended to be switched to the stable version. My main reasoning for putting effort into Compiz packaging is, to provide one ICC colour managed window manager under openSUSE through CompICC. There are currently no alternatives for integrated whole screen colour correction under Linux. kind regards Kai-Uwe Behrmann -- developing for colour management www.oyranos.org http://www.oyranos.org/compicc/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Compiz is not usable with GNOME3. To be honest the development of Compiz is pretty much focused on Unity, not even simple bug fixes are done unless they are related to Unity. Fedora has dropped Compiz also for the next release. Compiz is a dead stick. NM 2012/2/10 Bryen M Yunashko :

On Fri, 2012-02-10 at 13:36 +0100, Kai-Uwe Behrmann wrote:

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The Compiz repository is intended to be switched to the stable version. My main reasoning for putting effort into Compiz packaging is, to provide one ICC colour managed window manager under openSUSE through CompICC. There are currently no alternatives for integrated whole screen colour correction under Linux.

kind regards Kai-Uwe Behrmann --

So, out of curiosity, (and maybe this should be another thread), would the "compiz experience" be used on top of GNOME-Shell or as an alternative?  As in, do we get the features of both or is it one vs. the other?

Bryen

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2012/2/10 Claudio Freire :

On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 1:16 PM, Nelson Marques wrote:

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Compiz is not usable with GNOME3. To be honest the development of Compiz is pretty much focused on Unity, not even simple bug fixes are done unless they are related to Unity.

Compiz would work for GNOME2 though. For people still using it.

I don't see GNOME2 being maintained in Factory :) I'm not against someone keeping compiz alive, I'm just stating that: * Development of Compiz is somehow untrustable; * GNOME2 doesn't exist anymore on new openSUSE Products; * GNOME3 is unsupported by Compiz; * KDE support is a disaster (no blame for the Kdudes); * It's a hard stack to maintain (done it before, or ask any compiz dev); So it's somehow redundant... Though I must admit, I'm somehow happy someone took the job :) NM -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 1:23 PM, Bryen M Yunashko wrote:

So by that definition, Compiz should be maintained until May of 2013 since 11.4 is the last currently-supported version to include GNOME2. Right?

Unless in the interim, the Compiz folks revise direction and give GNOME3 support.

So, while we'd provide it for support purposes, we shouldn't promote it as a feature to expect with openSUSE in general.

Oh, yes, certainly. I was just talking in OBS[0], not Factory. [0] https://build.opensuse.org/project/show?project=GNOME%3ASTABLE%3A2.32 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On Fri, 10 Feb 2012 16:34:56 +0000 Nelson Marques wrote:

KDE Kwin offers most likely a better composite solution, and is activelly developed

Better as in KDE compatibility, for other aspects of better I'm not sure, and I suspect the same will be with Gnome3. -- Regards, Rajko -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

I changed the thread name ... Am 10.02.12, 10:11 -0600 schrieb Bryen M Yunashko:

On Fri, 2012-02-10 at 13:36 +0100, Kai-Uwe Behrmann wrote:

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The Compiz repository is intended to be switched to the stable version. My main reasoning for putting effort into Compiz packaging is, to provide one ICC colour managed window manager under openSUSE through CompICC. There are currently no alternatives for integrated whole screen colour correction under Linux.

So, out of curiosity, (and maybe this should be another thread), would the "compiz experience" be used on top of GNOME-Shell or as an alternative? As in, do we get the features of both or is it one vs. the other?

Personally I did not test Compiz-0.8 with Gnome but KDE. As stated, my goal is to provide a ICC colour managed experience. Compiz is just a vehicle for that and likely not best integrated into all the available desktops. Integration of ICC support into KWin and GNOME shell is of course prefered. kind regards Kai-Uwe -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Am 10.02.12, 19:14 +0100 schrieb Dominique Leuenberger a.k.a DimStar:

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Personally I did not test Compiz-0.8 with Gnome but KDE. As stated, my goal is to provide a ICC colour managed experience. Compiz is just a vehicle for that and likely not best integrated into all the available desktops.

Integration of ICC support into KWin and GNOME shell is of course prefered.

I was under the impression that the gnome desktop has this handled already, using gnome-color-manager and colord (so you should really only target kde with this)

That is no correct. A CMM like lcms, a CMS like Oyranos is a precondition for a ICC colour management. But these are not sufficient conditions. CompICC is currently the _only_ code for whole screen ICC colour correction on Linux. Gnome has, like KDE, a CMS and a front end to each CMS, but that alone does not change much on the screen. There needs to be some more integration bits. The CompICC plugin provides these for Compiz much like CUPS and Ghostscript provide the CM integration for printing. kind regards Kai-Uwe PS: http://www.oyranos.org/2011/09/colour-correction-concepts-for-monitors/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Am 10.02.12, 18:40 -0000 schrieb Nelson Marques:

up for maintaining a piece of software... but wouldn't it be more useful if you implemented your software directly on GNOME or KDE

That path is still open. But dropping the only available solution before something else is in place is not nice IMHO. Linux is already years behind osX in regard to that very topic.

I know compiz is probably be around for a few years more (ex: on commercial Linux), for example my home laptop has a RHEL 6.2 with GNOME2 and Compiz, but it's really being abandoned in determent of newer DE's.

Btw. I do not think that Compiz package maintainance is such a burden. Most work on compiz-0.8.8 was already present in obs provided by others.

Either way, I happy someone jumped in to keep compiz alive.

Glad you like it. kind regards Kai-Uwe

2012/2/10 Kai-Uwe Behrmann :

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Quoting Kai-Uwe Behrmann :

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Integration of ICC support into KWin and GNOME shell is of course prefered.

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CompICC is currently the _only_ code for whole screen ICC colour correction on Linux. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Am 10.02.12, 18:59 -0000 schrieb Nelson Marques:

2012/2/10 Kai-Uwe Behrmann :

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Am 10.02.12, 18:40 -0000 schrieb Nelson Marques:

There's one big difference, OSX is DRM/DRI friendly, free software isn't.

SuSE did some great work in the past about OpenGL support on Linux including Compiz development. Android might put some presure to shift the focus toward better OpenGL acceptance.

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Btw. I do not think that Compiz package maintainance is such a burden. Most work on compiz-0.8.8 was already present in obs provided by others.

I did maintained it for a bit in G:Ayatana (0.9.2), and it isn't really pie... Dimstar most likely shares the same thought... Compiz in 0.9.x branch is very volatile... dunno about 0.8.x.

That's not compareable to the 0.8.x stable tree. There are even window decorations available (which I never saw in KDE with 0.9.x ;) kind regards Kai-Uwe -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Am 11.02.12, 05:27 -0600 schrieb Rajko M.:

On Fri, 10 Feb 2012 18:59:03 +0000 Nelson Marques wrote:

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2012/2/10 Kai-Uwe Behrmann : ...

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That path is still open. But dropping the only available solution before something else is in place is not nice IMHO. Linux is already years behind osX in regard to that very topic.

There's one big difference, OSX is DRM/DRI friendly, free software isn't.

From your comment I can conclude that proper graphics and color management can work only on DRM/DRI friendly operating systems, while free software is not capable of having it.

In the free software world we have a typical habit to reduce proper GPU support to games and eye candy. The usefulness of GPU usage is there seldom propagated. Display colour management is a use case where GPU deployment makes much sense and is in parts a pre condition. Fullscreen colour correction of animations on the CPU would be a show stopper. kind regards Kai-Uwe -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org