On Wednesday 02 January 2008 03:40:44 am Andreas Jaeger wrote:

"M9." writes:

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Hi,

I upgraded all pkgs manualy choosen.. When trying to get rid of gnome, this was impossible... Very anoying, to have to install pkgs and apps to your system, you never use, just to fullfill deps.

Which packages exactly are on your system that you want to get rid of?

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Is there a way to check which gnome specific pkgs are realy needed to run suse? I am satisfied with KDE and if xfce is dependable on gnome, i will get rid of it also.

I want to run a 'gnomeclean' KDE environment. Is this possible? (strange that these have to be mixed to function anyway.)

This way i am forced to 'check' gnome also, which i do not want.

You should not need to check the GNOME pattern at all

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It is silly, that it is not possible to update a system, due to an invalid DE, one not wants to use, don't you agree?

There are packages like flashplayer, acrobat reader and gimp that use the gtk libraries - are you speaking about these? Or what is your problem? A lot of libraries are kind of system libraries, you cannot get rid of them,

Andreas

Let me jump in, as I had the same problem. I don't use GNOME, but I guess that I have almost all installed. I laughed when Metacity and evolution data server were listed as dependency, but I had no time to play with, so I just let zypper install everything. I can't recall what pulled them in, but I'll try to see is there anything in zypper log. Last time it happened with Beagle, some time ago. Joe Shaw was puzzled as Beagle has no so many dependencies. That time I had time to play and remove all that wasn't direct dependency. Though it is install all then remove those that are not listed as direct dependency. -- Regards, Rajko --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

On Thursday 03 January 2008 02:43:27 am Andreas Jaeger wrote:

"Rajko M." writes:

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Let me jump in, as I had the same problem. I don't use GNOME, but I guess that I have almost all installed. I laughed when Metacity and evolution data server were listed as dependency, but I had no time to play with, so I just let zypper install everything. I can't recall what pulled them in, but I'll try to see is there anything in zypper log.

It would be interesting to see which packages exactly pull those - or others in. Please check the specifics,

Andreas

I'm trying to locate log file that may contain recent problem, but it is probably the same as this one: http://lists.opensuse.org/archive/opensuse-factory/2007-09/msg00630.html That above was on 64 bit installation (a guess), and this is 32 bit. -- Regards, Rajko --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

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"Rajko M." writes:

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"Rajko M." writes:

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Let me jump in, as I had the same problem. I don't use GNOME, but I guess that I have almost all installed. I laughed when Metacity and evolution data server were listed as dependency, but I had no time to play with, so I just let zypper install everything. I can't recall what pulled them in, but I'll try to see is there anything in zypper log. It would be interesting to see which packages exactly pull those - or others in. Please check the specifics,

Andreas I'm trying to locate log file that may contain recent problem, but it is

On Thursday 03 January 2008 02:43:27 am Andreas Jaeger wrote: probably the same as this one: http://lists.opensuse.org/archive/opensuse-factory/2007-09/msg00630.html

That above was on 64 bit installation (a guess), and this is 32 bit.

So, I suggest to check whether beagle-thunderbird is installed - and then figure out which package in the dependency chain is unneeded (meaning: Grabs in so many packages),

Andreas

In my case, i uninstalled total beagle, allmost immediately, had many choices to make, and install pkgs manualy afterwards. - -- Have a nice day, M9. Now, is the only time that exists. OS: Linux 2.6.24-rc5-git2-2-default x86_64 Huidige gebruiker: monkey9@tribal-sfn2 Systeem: openSUSE 11.0 (x86_64) Alpha0 KDE: 3.5.8 "release 25" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHf58yX5/X5X6LpDgRAgoFAKC8jKnJ/YKDg/dhT0VXltanMt1AIgCgz+fK 96x1UgaDPEY0VCH5Z+86uNg= =P1Vp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

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"M9." writes:

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Which packages exactly are on your system that you want to get rid of?

The debacle started with gnomekeyring, which could not be upgraded, nor uninstalled. looping all the time, lot of pkgs, are involved.

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This way i am forced to 'check' gnome also, which i do not want.

You should not need to check the GNOME pattern at all

I remember for checking apango bug to have to install gedit. It installed about a 100MB's extra, just for an editor? I could not get rid of them afterwards.., just looping pkgsmngrs.. This i hate.

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It is silly, that it is not possible to update a system, due to an invalid DE, one not wants to use, don't you agree?

There are packages like flashplayer, acrobat reader and gimp that use the gtk libraries - are you speaking about these? Or what is your problem? A lot of libraries are kind of system libraries, you cannot get rid of them,

indeed, flashplayer, gimp and acrobat reader, i use. I am not bothered by the system libraries at all, but by apps, that get pulled in, that i do not ask for , nor need.

Andreas

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