[opensuse-factory] Difference in install behaviour, bug, or intended?
Hello, Maybe, it is not the right place, but i think it is... As i installed 11.1 some 6 times in a few days, on eee-pc-901, i noticed some strange things: Installing from images: to me, very unpleasant installing: lots of noise from dvd-drive. Disabled: very smooth, quiet, noiseless install. When i change to ifup, before trying networkmanager first, there is no internet test, and no updates are done. Additional: there is no sound. When i first try networkmanager, let it fail, and than change to ifup: internet test, and updates being done before first login, and, sound works normaly. And believe me, these things are consistant. -- Enjoy your time around, Oddball (M9.) (Now or never...) OS: Linux 2.6.29-rc8-5-default x86_64 Huidige gebruiker: oddball@AMD64x2-sfn1 Systeem: openSUSE 11.2 Alpha 0 (x86_64) KDE: 4.2.1 (KDE 4.2.1) "release 1" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Oddball schreef:
Hello,
Maybe, it is not the right place, but i think it is... As i installed 11.1 some 6 times in a few days, on eee-pc-901, i noticed some strange things:
Installing from images: to me, very unpleasant installing: lots of noise from dvd-drive. Disabled: very smooth, quiet, noiseless install.
When i change to ifup, before trying networkmanager first, there is no internet test, and no updates are done. Additional: there is no sound.
When i first try networkmanager, let it fail, and than change to ifup: internet test, and updates being done before first login, and, sound works normaly.
And believe me, these things are consistant.
Only with a new /home eg. user. I reinstalled, formatting a broken install, using a used /home, with an existing user, no matter what i did, wifi would not connect, while it allways did before, but there was also no question asked to test the connection also with ifup, and no errormessage was displayed about the failing connection. While it is asked with networkmanager enabled. Checking the soundcard: no sound. I could not set up wifi manual after reboot, so i suspect a setting in the user blocks things. I am now installing again new, to verify if this doesn't happen with new user. -- Enjoy your time around, Oddball (M9.) (Now or never...) OS: Linux 2.6.29-rc8-5-default x86_64 Huidige gebruiker: oddball@AMD64x2-sfn1 Systeem: openSUSE 11.2 Alpha 0 (x86_64) KDE: 4.2.1 (KDE 4.2.1) "release 1" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Oddball schreef:
Only with a new /home eg. user. I reinstalled, formatting a broken install, using a used /home, with an existing user, no matter what i did, wifi would not connect, while it allways did before, but there was also no question asked to test the connection also with ifup, and no errormessage was displayed about the failing connection. While it is asked with networkmanager enabled. Checking the soundcard: no sound. I could not set up wifi manual after reboot, so i suspect a setting in the user blocks things. I am now installing again new, to verify if this doesn't happen with new user.
Impossible to set up any kind of connection with a new user/ at all. :(( This i do not understand. Why does the other install imediately come online, and this new one even after 2 new installs, does not even work on a cord, not even manualy.... -- Enjoy your time around, Oddball (M9.) (Now or never...) OS: Linux 2.6.29-rc8-5-default x86_64 Huidige gebruiker: oddball@AMD64x2-sfn1 Systeem: openSUSE 11.2 Alpha 0 (x86_64) KDE: 4.2.1 (KDE 4.2.1) "release 1" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Monday 30 March 2009 08:16:00 am Oddball wrote:
Oddball schreef:
Only with a new /home eg. user. I reinstalled, formatting a broken install, using a used /home, with an existing user, no matter what i did, wifi would not connect, while it allways did before, but there was also no question asked to test the connection also with ifup, and no errormessage was displayed about the failing connection. While it is asked with networkmanager enabled. Checking the soundcard: no sound. I could not set up wifi manual after reboot, so i suspect a setting in the user blocks things. I am now installing again new, to verify if this doesn't happen with new user.
Impossible to set up any kind of connection with a new user/ at all. :(( This i do not understand. Why does the other install imediately come online, and this new one even after 2 new installs, does not even work on a cord, not even manualy....
Did you install on clean partitions where Installer has no system, or user, settings to pick up? Do you use weekly snapshot, ie. always same CD/DVD, or you use NET CD, which will pull in version of Factory that is currently offered on the server? -- Regards, Rajko -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Rajko M. schreef:
Did you install on clean partitions where Installer has no system, or user, settings to pick up?
Do you use weekly snapshot, ie. always same CD/DVD, or you use NET CD, which will pull in version of Factory that is currently offered on the server?
I installed on an existing partition, but formatted before install. And i choose a new username. I used the same dvd, the retail, i got for bugseeking, to install opensuse on my eee-pc-901. I have two installs there, one is allright and the second, which was the first, will not connect. (Not on this pc, where i used net.iso and factory updates..) -- Enjoy your time around, Oddball (M9.) (Now or never...) OS: Linux 2.6.29-rc8-5-default x86_64 Huidige gebruiker: oddball@AMD64x2-sfn1 Systeem: openSUSE 11.2 Alpha 0 (x86_64) KDE: 4.2.1 (KDE 4.2.1) "release 1" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Monday 30 March 2009 09:43:18 am Oddball wrote:
I installed on an existing partition, but formatted before install. And i choose a new username. I used the same dvd, the retail, i got for bugseeking, to install opensuse on my eee-pc-901.
I have two installs there, one is allright and the second, which was the first, will not connect.
(Not on this pc, where i used net.iso and factory updates..)
Someone said that human communication is doomed to fail. You last comment "(Not on this pc..." doesn't talk about eee-pc, I guess. If that is right, then there is some stupid bug. Possibilities: 1) Installer picks up someting from other installation, which it should not do. This is not very big chance to happen, but not excluded. 2) Wireless firmware setup requires clean wireless chip without any firmware loaded. This seems to me closer guess where to start troubleshooting. Driver for chip can assume that chip has not firmware, while it actually has because of present battery in laptops, and mess whole thing. I would try first to remove anything with wireless in the name from installation that has a problem with wireless. Then, turn eee-pc off, disconnect power cord, and pull battery out. Leave it for few minutes to make sure that all hardware registers are cleared (capacitors in power supply chain discharged). Then turn on, boot to partition that has a problem, try to setup wireless again. If this fails, then step two would be new installation, but after formatting partitions go trough turn eee-pc off, disconnect power cord, and pull battery out, leave it for few minutes drill, before attempt to install again. If that fails then some of openSUSE wireless hardware experts should jump in. If it works, then check the other installation, does it work after normal reboot, and then after cold reboot with pulling battery out. -- Regards, Rajko -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Rajko M. schreef:
Possibilities:
1) Installer picks up someting from other installation, which it should not do. This is not very big chance to happen, but not excluded.
2) Wireless firmware setup requires clean wireless chip without any firmware loaded. This seems to me closer guess where to start troubleshooting. Driver for chip can assume that chip has not firmware, while it actually has because of present battery in laptops, and mess whole thing.
I would try first to remove anything with wireless in the name from installation that has a problem with wireless. Then, turn eee-pc off, disconnect power cord, and pull battery out. Leave it for few minutes to make sure that all hardware registers are cleared (capacitors in power supply chain discharged). Then turn on, boot to partition that has a problem, try to setup wireless again.
If this fails, then step two would be new installation, but after formatting partitions go trough turn eee-pc off, disconnect power cord, and pull battery out, leave it for few minutes drill, before attempt to install again.
If that fails then some of openSUSE wireless hardware experts should jump in.
If it works, then check the other installation, does it work after normal reboot, and then after cold reboot with pulling battery out.
I have to try the way you suggest. I did a 11.2 net.iso install this afternoon, came to the hardware configuration, and then the graphicscard config failed: Black screen. Might be wrong kernel? I don't know. Today, i quit. Tomorrow is another day. Thnx for involvement. -- Enjoy your time around, Oddball, aka M9. OS: Linux 2.6.27.19-3.2-default x86_64 Huidige gebruiker: oddball@AMD64x2-sfn1 Systeem: openSUSE 11.1 (x86_64) KDE: 4.2.1 (KDE 4.2.1) "release 103" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
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