On 10.02.2014 08:36, Günther J. Niederwimmer wrote:

Hello,

Am Samstag, 8. Februar 2014, 21:04:20 schrieb Matwey V. Kornilov:

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08.02.2014 15:09, Günther J. Niederwimmer пишет:

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My Problem is, I can't install 13.1 on my Board, after a Bugreport the answer is, in the Milestone my Problem is fixed.

Could you please provide link to the bug ticket?

Yes I can ;)

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=853868

I have also a question. On this Board it is not possible to install 12.3 ( ASUS P9D WS "Hardware to new") and also not 13.1.

Can I hope for Updates, to make a Net Installation ? Or must we wait for the next Version.

You can build a small live CD on studio (or OBS if you're expect enough) including the updates from Kernel:HEAD to see if it works. Greetings, Stephan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On 10.02.2014 09:03, Günther J. Niederwimmer wrote:

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You can build a small live CD on studio (or OBS if you're expect enough) including the updates from Kernel:HEAD to see if it works.

I mean this over my limit ;-(.

Can you help please?

Not me personally, no. But there should be plenty of people with that knowledge. So let's wait for volunteers with time. Greetings, Stephan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Greg Freemyer - 7:34 10.02.14 wrote:

Stephan Kulow wrote:

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On 10.02.2014 09:03, Günther J. Niederwimmer wrote:

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You can build a small live CD on studio (or OBS if you're expect enough) including the updates from Kernel:HEAD to see if it works.

I mean this over my limit ;-(.

Can you help please?

Not me personally, no. But there should be plenty of people with that knowledge. So let's wait for volunteers with time.

Greetings, Stephan

Susestudio.com is easy to use for this, but it only supports Intel 32 and 64 bit architectures to my knowledge.

Not Intel dependent and bugreport says x86-64. -- Michal HRUSECKY SUSE LINUX, s.r.o. openSUSE Team Lihovarska 1060/12 PGP 0xFED656F6 19000 Praha 9 mhrusecky[at]suse.cz Czech Republic http://michal.hrusecky.net http://www.suse.cz -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On 10/02/14 18:36, Günther J. Niederwimmer wrote:

Hello,

Am Samstag, 8. Februar 2014, 21:04:20 schrieb Matwey V. Kornilov:

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08.02.2014 15:09, Günther J. Niederwimmer пишет:

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My Problem is, I can't install 13.1 on my Board, after a Bugreport the answer is, in the Milestone my Problem is fixed. Could you please provide link to the bug ticket? Yes I can ;)

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=853868

I have also a question. On this Board it is not possible to install 12.3 ( ASUS P9D WS "Hardware to new") and also not 13.1.

Can I hope for Updates, to make a Net Installation ? Or must we wait for the next Version.

I cannot even get Milestone 0 to boot into Live mode on the Thinkpad so naturally I am not sympathetic to the inability to do a *Net install* :-) . BC -- A civilisation is judged by how it treats the most vulnerable. Lauren Smith - 30 January 2014 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Am Mittwoch, 12. Februar 2014, 02:10:01 schrieb Felix Miata:

On 2014-02-12 17:39 (GMT+1100) Basil Chupin composed:

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I cannot even get Milestone 0 to boot into Live mode on the Thinkpad so naturally I am not sympathetic to the inability to do a *Net install* :-)

This is not working, i can test a Net-install and include /update and kernel/HEAD But I don't know the correct Problem from dracut or mkinitrd? YaST2 can't create in first Stage the initrd and end with errors

What happens if you load the initrd and linux from the repos or net iso using Grub? That's how I start most installations here.

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On 2014-02-15 16:51 (GMT+1100) Basil Chupin composed:

Felix Miata wrote:

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On 2014-02-12 17:39 (GMT+1100) Basil Chupin composed: ...

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naturally I am not sympathetic to the inability to do a *Net install* :-) .

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What happens if you load the initrd and linux from the repos or net iso using Grub? That's how I start most installations here.

I really would not know what would happen as I wouldn't even attempt to do this - principally because I haven't a clue what you are talking about :-) .

http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Network_installation#Media_free_network_installat...

But, secondly, why should I try and do this.

Same reason you would "do a *Net install*" by burning a current openSUSE-Factory-NET...iso and booting it, but also to see whether the obstacle has its root in the installation kernel and/or initrd and/or the media or iso you've been attempting to use. Installing this way you download nothing you won't be installing or needing in order to be able to install. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Hi Basil, Pardon me if I'm missing something obvious here but why would you use M0 then? Download current 13.1 release and have a look? On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 2:47 PM, Basil Chupin wrote:

On 15/02/14 17:28, Felix Miata wrote:

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On 2014-02-15 16:51 (GMT+1100) Basil Chupin composed:

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Felix Miata wrote:

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On 2014-02-12 17:39 (GMT+1100) Basil Chupin composed:

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naturally I am not sympathetic to the inability to do a *Net install* :-) .

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What happens if you load the initrd and linux from the repos or net iso using Grub? That's how I start most installations here.

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I really would not know what would happen as I wouldn't even attempt to do this - principally because I haven't a clue what you are talking about :-) .

http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Network_installation#Media_free_network_installat...

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But, secondly, why should I try and do this.

Same reason you would "do a *Net install*" by burning a current openSUSE-Factory-NET...iso and booting it, but also to see whether the obstacle has its root in the installation kernel and/or initrd and/or the media or iso you've been attempting to use. Installing this way you download nothing you won't be installing or needing in order to be able to install.

OK, I see the direction you want me to take but..... I do NOT want to *install*. I just want to see what KDE *LIVE* looks like.

Or am I missing something?

BC

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Lauren Smith - 30 January 2014

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On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 2:04 PM, Basil Chupin wrote:

On 16/02/14 17:54, Baron Kelvin wrote:

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Hi Basil,

Pardon me if I'm missing something obvious here but why would you use M0 then? Download current 13.1 release and have a look?

On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 2:47 PM, Basil Chupin wrote:

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On 15/02/14 17:28, Felix Miata wrote:

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On 2014-02-15 16:51 (GMT+1100) Basil Chupin composed:

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Felix Miata wrote:

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On 2014-02-12 17:39 (GMT+1100) Basil Chupin composed:

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> > naturally I am not sympathetic to the inability to do a *Net install* > :-) .

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What happens if you load the initrd and linux from the repos or net iso using Grub? That's how I start most installations here.

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I really would not know what would happen as I wouldn't even attempt to do this - principally because I haven't a clue what you are talking about :-) .

http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Network_installation#Media_free_network_installat...

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But, secondly, why should I try and do this.

Same reason you would "do a *Net install*" by burning a current openSUSE-Factory-NET...iso and booting it, but also to see whether the obstacle has its root in the installation kernel and/or initrd and/or the media or iso you've been attempting to use. Installing this way you download nothing you won't be installing or needing in order to be able to install.

OK, I see the direction you want me to take but..... I do NOT want to *install*. I just want to see what KDE *LIVE* looks like.

Or am I missing something?

BC

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Lauren Smith - 30 January 2014

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You must be a new comer to this list because top-posting is very much frowned upon in the openSUSE lists. Keep doing this and you will suffer the wrath of Patrick The Terrible! Your worse nightmare is nought when compared to Patrick The Terrible!

You have been warned!

Whoops! Sorry about that! I'm indeed a newcomer but aware of the etiquette, should have known better than to use default settings here.

Now, to carry on....

"Pardon me if I'm missing something obvious here but why would you use M0 then? Download current 13.1 release and have a look?"

The "obvious" which you are missing is that I have been running 13.1 since it was released, and that if a Milestone is released I like to see what it may look like.

Ok sorry about that (again), the reply gave me a different impression.

The obvious question then comes up: why are Milestones produced at great HR and computer resource expense and then made available for download?

Funny, because it isn't even 'available' for download. At least it isn't to the people unfamiliar with the download servers folder tree structure. If I'm not reading the lists, I wouldn't even know milestone exists.

From the download landing page none are available, and it even tells you so. It's 'very helpful' when I make erroneous statements when suggesting something:)

I know, I know - Stephan Kulow just likes to see his name in lights, right? :-)

Have I answered your question?

Indeed.

BC

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Lauren Smith - 30 January 2014

Kind regards, Jason

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On 17/02/14 18:17, Felix Miata wrote:

On 2014-02-17 17:04 (GMT+1100) Basil Chupin composed:

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if a Milestone is released I like to see what it may look like.

If a milestone has been released, there will have been a release announcement. Have you seen a public announcement for a 13.2M0 release anywhere? According to http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Roadmap even a schedule for 13.2 hasn't been announced yet.

With the divergence from usual routine for 13.2 development compared to prior releases, I wouldn't expect either typical pre-release schedule conformity or typical build quality prior to beta.

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The obvious question then comes up: why are Milestones produced at great HR and computer resource expense and then made available for download?

If you're referring to what you find at http://download.opensuse.org/factory/iso/ what you're seeing there now looks like a result of B.S. automation, not "great HR and computer resource expense". When milestones are released they usually have a timestamp rather close to what you see at http://download.opensuse.org/factory-snapshot/repo/, which currently is dated prior to 13.1 release.

Hello,

on witch place I can found the ISO Milestone 0

My Problem is, I can't install 13.1 on my Board, after a Bugreport

To quote in full the message in this list posted on 8 February: "Am 08.02.2014 12:09, schrieb Günther J. Niederwimmer: the answer

is, in the Milestone my Problem is fixed. The factory downloads are at http://download.opensuse.org/factory/iso

One question again is it possible to go back to the 13.1 after installation from Milestone, I hope yes . I doubt it.

Greetings, Stephan" Unless there is a hidden and encrypted message in the above then by my reading Milestone 0 is where Stephan wrote it is.

I know, I know - Stephan Kulow just likes to see his name in lights,

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right? :-)

I think he likes to keep as low a profile as he can manage. :-)

:-) BC -- A civilisation is judged by how it treats the most vulnerable. Lauren Smith - 30 January 2014 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 8:24 PM, Felix Miata wrote:

On 2014-02-17 22:53 (GMT+1100) Basil Chupin composed:

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schrieb Günther J. Niederwimmer:

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on witch place I can found the ISO Milestone 0

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The factory downloads are at http://download.opensuse.org/factory/iso Greetings, Stephan"

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Unless there is a hidden and encrypted message in the above then by my reading Milestone 0 is where Stephan wrote it is.

You're seeing what you wish it to mean, not what it does mean. Niederwimmer isn't announcing a release of 13.2 Milestone 0. Stephan isn't calling anything Milestone 0. All Stephan was doing was pointing Niederwimmer to what is available that most closely matches what Niederwimmer appears to want.

Actually, I have also understood it as such. Niederwimmer asked for Milestone 0 and got the link in return without making a distinction.

Milestone 0 is what Factory announces itself as after it gets unfrozen after an upcoming GA release has branched. It stays that way for many weeks or even months, until a Milestone 0 is announced. Shortly after announcement it will be calling itself Milestone 1 for the weeks until a Milestone 1 is announced. What it calls itself doesn't necessarily mean a Milestone has been reached or announced. Factory has to be called something other than latest, in this case, not 13.1 without a non-GA qualifier.

http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Roadmap will almost certainly have a date for Milestone 0 of 13.2 before same gets announced as a release, which will be made and available from http://download.opensuse.org/factory-snapshot/ when its time comes, likely not for another month or more, sometime after Roadmap is updated for 13.2.

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Thanks for pointing it out. Kind regards, jason

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On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 9:19 PM, Felix Miata wrote:

On 2014-02-17 20:32 (GMT+0800) Baron Kelvin composed:

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Felix Miata wrote:

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You're seeing what you wish it to mean, not what it does mean. Niederwimmer isn't announcing a release of 13.2 Milestone 0. Stephan isn't calling anything Milestone 0. All Stephan was doing was pointing Niederwimmer to what is available that most closely matches what Niederwimmer appears to want.

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Actually, I have also understood it as such. Niederwimmer asked for Milestone 0 and got the link in return without making a distinction.

Nowhere at the URL Stephan provided is the string "ilestone" to be found. And if you check it often enough, you'll see its content changes with some frequency. Announced Milestone isos normally only get one timestamp each.

He didn't provide any string but it was implied from the thread subject and content. Person asked for Milestone 0, elaborated his problems and wants and got the reply containing a link and a snarky comment. Assuming everyone reading and posting here knows ins and outs of the project is a bit too much to ask, and a little unreasonable. If opposite isn't stated, implied is close enough.

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Thanks for pointing it out.

Dunno which "it" to which you refer, but :-)

You took time to explain process (it) of having a Milestone release and all that it entails. I didn't know that so _it_ was new to me:) Or did I snip it out? i checked the sent mail it's there. Kind regards, Jason

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