[opensuse-factory] Tumbleweed - Review of the week 2020/28
Dear Tumbleweed users and hackers, This week I have been fighting a bit with the size of the DVD. Due to some mistake in the pattern definition, it was for a good chunk ignored. Serves me right for fixing the error and then getting an ISO file that would not ever fit on a DVD, eh? Well, long story short: I needed to save some space, so looked at what the ‘fix’ newly brought on the DVD and aligned to what the DVD looked like before. As a result, week 28 only had two snapshots released (0707 and 0708), containing these changes: * Mozilla Firefox 78.0.1 * file 5.39 * Linux kernel 5.7.7 * python3 packaging change (so far no difference for the user) These changes are planned and work in progress: * GNOME 3.36.4 * openSSL 3.0 * Python3 package will be renamed to python38. The goal will be to allow multiple python versions to more easily coexist. * RPM changes: %{_libexecdir} is being changed to /usr/libexec. This exposes quite a lot of packages that abuse %{_libexecdir} and fail to build. Additionally, the payload compression is being changed to zstd Cheers, Dominique
Am Freitag, 10. Juli 2020, 19:09:58 CEST schrieb Dominique Leuenberger / DimStar:
Serves me right for fixing the error and then getting an ISO file that would not ever fit on a DVD, eh? Well, long story short: I needed to save some space, so looked at what the ‘fix’ newly brought on the DVD and aligned to what the DVD looked like before.
Is there really someone out there using a DVD for TW installation? Or would it better be sqashed to fit on a 4GB USB stick? Curious.... Axel -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Sat, 2020-07-11 at 15:32 +0200, Axel Braun wrote:
Am Freitag, 10. Juli 2020, 19:09:58 CEST schrieb Dominique Leuenberger / DimStar:
Serves me right for fixing the error and then getting an ISO file that would not ever fit on a DVD, eh? Well, long story short: I needed to save some space, so looked at what the ‘fix’ newly brought on the DVD and aligned to what the DVD looked like before.
Is there really someone out there using a DVD for TW installation? Or would it better be sqashed to fit on a 4GB USB stick?
As I'm having a hard time to fit stuff on a 4.7GB medium: do you really think it will be easier to fit on a 4GiB medium? :) It's very hard to tell which download medium is most used.. and without proper stats there is no way to know. I for one prefer going with a DVD (well, 8GB thumb drive) to somebody to help setup a fresh TW box. Of course the NET installer would probably save some bandwidth, but that requires the bandwidth to be available where the installation happens. so it's mostly a geographical commodity to use the DVD to kick start; subsequent zypper dup are then 'not my time sitting in front of my friends computers' Cheers, Dominique
On Sat, Jul 11, 2020 at 10:42 AM Dominique Leuenberger / DimStar
On Sat, 2020-07-11 at 15:32 +0200, Axel Braun wrote:
Am Freitag, 10. Juli 2020, 19:09:58 CEST schrieb Dominique Leuenberger / DimStar:
Serves me right for fixing the error and then getting an ISO file that would not ever fit on a DVD, eh? Well, long story short: I needed to save some space, so looked at what the ‘fix’ newly brought on the DVD and aligned to what the DVD looked like before.
Is there really someone out there using a DVD for TW installation? Or would it better be sqashed to fit on a 4GB USB stick?
As I'm having a hard time to fit stuff on a 4.7GB medium: do you really think it will be easier to fit on a 4GiB medium? :)
It's very hard to tell which download medium is most used.. and without proper stats there is no way to know.
I for one prefer going with a DVD (well, 8GB thumb drive) to somebody to help setup a fresh TW box. Of course the NET installer would probably save some bandwidth, but that requires the bandwidth to be available where the installation happens. so it's mostly a geographical commodity to use the DVD to kick start; subsequent zypper dup are then 'not my time sitting in front of my friends computers'
Anecdotally, I also use the DVD ISO on a USB stick because MB always picks a bad mirror for me, so a network-based install always times out or is ungodly slow. Installing openSUSE via the network-based installation is frustrating unless you have your own local mirror, of which I have nowhere to put one... -- 真実はいつも一つ！/ Always, there's only one truth! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Neal Gompa wrote:
Anecdotally, I also use the DVD ISO on a USB stick because MB always picks a bad mirror for me, so a network-based install always times out or is ungodly slow.
Installing openSUSE via the network-based installation is frustrating unless you have your own local mirror, of which I have nowhere to put one...
Hmm, not sure I subscribe to that one - at least, it works fine here in Zürich. OTOH, we do have countries that have no openSUSE mirrors. A "bad mirror" should really be picked up by mirrorbrain's regular scans - a slow mirror, no. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (18.6°C) Member, openSUSE Heroes -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 Am 11.07.20 um 16:42 schrieb Dominique Leuenberger / DimStar:
It's very hard to tell which download medium is most used.. and without proper stats there is no way to know.
http://tracker.opensuse.org:6969/stat says DVD 2997 NET 413 we just dont know if those are burned on CD/DVD-R(W) or written to USB. - From my own experience it will mostly be the latter these days. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iHUEARYIAB0WIQTykslvYmKwlIQesLNdovN53d8CLgUCXwxAwQAKCRBdovN53d8C LrvAAPwMckYUxxqqNqK3WQ1YIdNeKvwZKMl0xFfE6o7+D5Rk4wD/ZP8ajhx7FoTj ViRO4nRgMR2T+YZ/2/D3SRBugsY0aw8= =lQzE -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Op zaterdag 11 juli 2020 15:32:50 CEST schreef Axel Braun:
Am Freitag, 10. Juli 2020, 19:09:58 CEST schrieb Dominique Leuenberger /
DimStar:
Serves me right for fixing the error and then getting an ISO file that would not ever fit on a DVD, eh? Well, long story short: I needed to save some space, so looked at what the ‘fix’ newly brought on the DVD and aligned to what the DVD looked like before.
Is there really someone out there using a DVD for TW installation? Or would it better be sqashed to fit on a 4GB USB stick?
These days you'll have a hard time buying 4GB USB sticks. Minimum I saw today in Media Markt was 8 GB, but 16-32 seems most common now. From what I see in the forums, hardly anybody still burns the ISO to an optic medium, USB simply is faster, more reliable. That said, none of these provide a solution to your issue @dimstar. But the thought has come to mind to get rid of that barrier. Those who insist on optical media can use the NET install if they want, but my bet is that most will use USB, and only care that the image fits on an 8 GB stick. -- Gertjan Lettink a.k.a. Knurpht openSUSE Forums Team -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Am Samstag, 11. Juli 2020, 16:59:19 CEST schrieb Knurpht-openSUSE:
Op zaterdag 11 juli 2020 15:32:50 CEST schreef Axel Braun:
Am Freitag, 10. Juli 2020, 19:09:58 CEST schrieb Dominique Leuenberger /
DimStar:
Serves me right for fixing the error and then getting an ISO file that would not ever fit on a DVD, eh? Well, long story short: I needed to save some space, so looked at what the ‘fix’ newly brought on the DVD and aligned to what the DVD looked like before.
Is there really someone out there using a DVD for TW installation? Or would it better be sqashed to fit on a 4GB USB stick?
These days you'll have a hard time buying 4GB USB sticks. Minimum I saw today in Media Markt was 8 GB, but 16-32 seems most common now. From what I see in the forums, hardly anybody still burns the ISO to an optic medium, USB simply is faster, more reliable.
...and reuseable. Even the 4GB USB, hidden somewhere in the 'Old Electronics' box, below the 8" floppies....
That said, none of these provide a solution to your issue @dimstar. But the thought has come to mind to get rid of that barrier. Those who insist on optical media can use the NET install if they want, but my bet is that most will use USB, and only care that the image fits on an 8 GB stick.
You got the point of the 4GB question ;-) Bandwidth is in many countries only a convenience issue (this includes Germany with its reliable high speed infrastructure ;-) , same for the complaints about non-parallel downloads. In countries or areas where you really cant do a net installation one is probably happy about each package that fits onto a 8GB stick.... Cheers Axel -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 07/11/2020 07:59 AM, Knurpht-openSUSE wrote:
From what I see in the forums, hardly anybody still burns the ISO to an optic medium, USB simply is faster, more reliable. That said, none of these provide a solution to your issue @dimstar. But the thought has come to mind to get rid of that barrier. Those who insist on optical media can use the NET install if they want, but my bet is that most will use USB, and only care that the image fits on an 8 GB stick.
But some large organizations forbid the use of USB memory sticks for security reasons. I know, it doesn't make any sense, but it is what it is. Further, large organizations may forbid network connections to the broad Internet from classified networks. How could an OS be installed on an insular network that forbids USB sticks if not for the DVD? Multiple DVD's would work, one to "bootstrap" a minimal system, with additional DVD's to set up local repositories. This has been called "sneaker netting", and I've done it a time or two with 50-GB Blue-Ray disks. Regards, Lew -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 7/11/20 8:41 PM, Lew Wolfgang wrote:
But some large organizations forbid the use of USB memory sticks for security reasons. I know, it doesn't make any sense, but it is what it is. Further, large organizations may forbid network connections to the broad Internet from classified networks. How could an OS be installed on an insular network that forbids USB sticks if not for the DVD?
I'm pretty sure that the owner of such an environment, probably a financial institute or similar, does not want you to install your own unmanaged OS. I guess they also don't have DVD drives. But if they decide to install openSUSE Linux their IT department will have the infrastructure to make it possible. => Thus this is definitely not a use-case to consider when discussing DVD vs. USB stick as install media. Ciao, Michael. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 07/11/2020 12:19 PM, Michael Ströder wrote:
On 7/11/20 8:41 PM, Lew Wolfgang wrote:
But some large organizations forbid the use of USB memory sticks for security reasons. I know, it doesn't make any sense, but it is what it is. Further, large organizations may forbid network connections to the broad Internet from classified networks. How could an OS be installed on an insular network that forbids USB sticks if not for the DVD? I'm pretty sure that the owner of such an environment, probably a financial institute or similar, does not want you to install your own unmanaged OS. I guess they also don't have DVD drives.
openSUSE is a managed OS, and is accepted in places that I've worked. They do allow DVD drives, even external ones. I know, it really doesn't make any sense.
But if they decide to install openSUSE Linux their IT department will have the infrastructure to make it possible.
Many departments do have the infrastructure, and it's MS Windows. It's the niche cases that require Linux, and I was the infrastructure.
=> Thus this is definitely not a use-case to consider when discussing DVD vs. USB stick as install media.
Well, it's certainly a use case for me, and I'd argue that I'm not alone. But that being said, ISO's that won't fit on a DVD won't stop me from supporting customers with it. There are always ways to fill a need. Regards, Lew -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 11/07/2020 20.41, Lew Wolfgang wrote:
On 07/11/2020 07:59 AM, Knurpht-openSUSE wrote:
From what I see in the forums, hardly anybody still burns the ISO to an optic medium, USB simply is faster, more reliable. That said, none of these provide a solution to your issue @dimstar. But the thought has come to mind to get rid of that barrier. Those who insist on optical media can use the NET install if they want, but my bet is that most will use USB, and only care that the image fits on an 8 GB stick.
But some large organizations forbid the use of USB memory sticks for security reasons. I know, it doesn't make any sense, but it is what it is.
I know some reasons: - An USB stick is easier to hide. - You can write stuff to it. - There are sticks with manipulated firmware that are used to hack computers directly. (example: https://www.dw.com/en/hackers-can-exploit-usb-to-steal-data/a-17828415) So, I knew of organizations that simply removed the USB cables from the motherboard. Or filled the sockets with glue. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.1 x86_64 at Telcontar)
Lew Wolfgang wrote:
But some large organizations forbid the use of USB memory sticks for security reasons. I know, it doesn't make any sense, but it is what it is. Further, large organizations may forbid network connections to the broad Internet from classified networks. How could an OS be installed on an insular network that forbids USB sticks if not for the DVD?
PXE install from a local mirror ? -- Per Jessen, Zürich (18.7°C) Member, openSUSE Heroes -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 07/12/2020 01:51 AM, Per Jessen wrote:
Lew Wolfgang wrote:
But some large organizations forbid the use of USB memory sticks for security reasons. I know, it doesn't make any sense, but it is what it is. Further, large organizations may forbid network connections to the broad Internet from classified networks. How could an OS be installed on an insular network that forbids USB sticks if not for the DVD? PXE install from a local mirror ?
That would work, but then you have the issue of getting the local mirror installed on an insular network without network connections I've done it, it's just a PITA. I'm only mentioning this because there are still valid use cases for optical disk distributions. I remember the 6-cd days too. If optical goes away, those affected will either adapt or go somewhere else. The question then becomes how many users will go elsewhere, and is it worth supporting a possibly small user base? Regards, Lew -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Lew Wolfgang wrote:
On 07/12/2020 01:51 AM, Per Jessen wrote:
Lew Wolfgang wrote:
But some large organizations forbid the use of USB memory sticks for security reasons. I know, it doesn't make any sense, but it is what it is. Further, large organizations may forbid network connections to the broad Internet from classified networks. How could an OS be installed on an insular network that forbids USB sticks if not for the DVD? PXE install from a local mirror ?
That would work, but then you have the issue of getting the local mirror installed on an insular network without network connections I've done it, it's just a PITA.
Hmm, yeah no doubt. How about downloading the repos to a portable disk and take that along? (if permitted).
I'm only mentioning this because there are still valid use cases for optical disk distributions. I remember the 6-cd days too.
SUSE Linux 8 IIRC ?
If optical goes away, those affected will either adapt or go somewhere else. The question then becomes how many users will go elsewhere, and is it worth supporting a possibly small user base?
I think we should continue to support installations from a physical media. I do have my doubts about a DVD image being the right one, just as I have my doubts about an organisation that would ban USB sticks but not DVDs :-) Wrt the size, I second Stefan's observations about bloat, even if 16Gb USB sticks are now the norm. Downloading a bigger image will also take more time, so a 4Gb ISO is probably not such a bad target. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (24.7°C) Member, openSUSE Heroes -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 12/07/2020 19.06, Per Jessen wrote:
Lew Wolfgang wrote:
I think we should continue to support installations from a physical media. I do have my doubts about a DVD image being the right one, just as I have my doubts about an organisation that would ban USB sticks but not DVDs :-)
You can not write to DVD and steal the data, for instance.
Wrt the size, I second Stefan's observations about bloat, even if 16Gb USB sticks are now the norm. Downloading a bigger image will also take more time, so a 4Gb ISO is probably not such a bad target.
Perhaps 8 gig (double layer DVD) -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.1 x86_64 at Telcontar)
On 07/12/2020 10:41 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 12/07/2020 19.06, Per Jessen wrote:
Wrt the size, I second Stefan's observations about bloat, even if 16Gb USB sticks are now the norm. Downloading a bigger image will also take more time, so a 4Gb ISO is probably not such a bad target.
Perhaps 8 gig (double layer DVD
BTW, Windows-10 is being distributed on double-layer DVD. Regards, Lew -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Sunday 2020-07-12 19:41, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 12/07/2020 19.06, Per Jessen wrote:
I think we should continue to support installations from a physical media. I do have my doubts about a DVD image being the right one, just as I have my doubts about an organisation that would ban USB sticks but not DVDs :-)
You can not write to DVD and steal the data, for instance.
You can, hooray for Mt Rainier/Packet Mode :-D -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 12/07/2020 21.24, Jan Engelhardt wrote:
On Sunday 2020-07-12 19:41, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 12/07/2020 19.06, Per Jessen wrote:
I think we should continue to support installations from a physical media. I do have my doubts about a DVD image being the right one, just as I have my doubts about an organisation that would ban USB sticks but not DVDs :-)
You can not write to DVD and steal the data, for instance.
You can, hooray for Mt Rainier/Packet Mode :-D
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Rainier_(packet_writing) Ok, but the drive has to be a writer unit, and these places will not install one. Just a dvd reader. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.1 x86_64 at Telcontar)
On 07/12/2020 10:06 AM, Per Jessen wrote:
Lew Wolfgang wrote:
On 07/12/2020 01:51 AM, Per Jessen wrote:
Lew Wolfgang wrote:
But some large organizations forbid the use of USB memory sticks for security reasons. PXE install from a local mirror ? That would work, but then you have the issue of getting the local mirror installed on an insular network without network connections I've done it, it's just a PITA. Hmm, yeah no doubt. How about downloading the repos to a portable disk and take that along? (if permitted).
These classified situations usually allow incoming disks if certain procedures are followed, such as virus scanning. But once a disk, or other writable media, touches a classified system/network it is presumed to be classified and can not be removed from the space. The media can be declassified by destruction using approved methods and oversight. NSA has guidelines and lists of approved devices: https://www.nsa.gov/resources/everyone/media-destruction/ So in this case, media are use-once, then destroy devices. Cheaper is better.
I think we should continue to support installations from a physical media. I do have my doubts about a DVD image being the right one, just as I have my doubts about an organisation that would ban USB sticks but not DVDs :-)
As Carlos mentioned, there are security risks associated with USB devices not present in optical media. Certainly USB storage can be used safely if precautions are taken, but I think the rule was designed for the lowest common denominator user. It's easier to ban everything than to ban everything with some difficult-to-explain exceptions. Regards, "IA is the New Black" Lew -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 12/07/2020 19.53, Lew Wolfgang wrote:
On 07/12/2020 10:06 AM, Per Jessen wrote:
Lew Wolfgang wrote:
On 07/12/2020 01:51 AM, Per Jessen wrote:
Lew Wolfgang wrote:
But some large organizations forbid the use of USB memory sticks for security reasons. PXE install from a local mirror ? That would work, but then you have the issue of getting the local mirror installed on an insular network without network connections I've done it, it's just a PITA. Hmm, yeah no doubt. How about downloading the repos to a portable disk and take that along? (if permitted).
These classified situations usually allow incoming disks if certain procedures are followed, such as virus scanning. But once a disk, or other writable media, touches a classified system/network it is presumed to be classified and can not be removed from the space. The media can be declassified by destruction using approved methods and oversight. NSA has guidelines and lists of approved devices:
https://www.nsa.gov/resources/everyone/media-destruction/
So in this case, media are use-once, then destroy devices. Cheaper is better.
I think we should continue to support installations from a physical media. I do have my doubts about a DVD image being the right one, just as I have my doubts about an organisation that would ban USB sticks but not DVDs :-)
As Carlos mentioned, there are security risks associated with USB devices not present in optical media. Certainly USB storage can be used safely if precautions are taken, but I think the rule was designed for the lowest common denominator user. It's easier to ban everything than to ban everything with some difficult-to-explain exceptions.
Regards, "IA is the New Black" Lew
Yes, these sites should have authorization procedures for using external media. Scan the media when coming in or out. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.1 x86_64 at Telcontar)
On Saturday 2020-07-11 16:59, Knurpht-openSUSE wrote:
Those who insist on optical media can use the NET install if they want
The net install requires... network, which, if you choose the DVD, probably don't have, or only in limited quantity. SUSE used to come on 6 CDs during the heyday of CD. Surely it can't be that hard to make 2 DVD images these days. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Sat, Jul 11, 2020 at 21:34, Jan Engelhardt
SUSE used to come on 6 CDs during the heyday of CD. Surely it can't be that hard to make 2 DVD images these days.
YaST might have lost the ability to install from multiple mediums in the meanwhile too LCP [Stasiek] https://lcp.world -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Op zaterdag 11 juli 2020 21:34:22 CEST schreef Jan Engelhardt:
On Saturday 2020-07-11 16:59, Knurpht-openSUSE wrote:
Those who insist on optical media can use the NET install if they want
The net install requires... network, which, if you choose the DVD, probably don't have, or only in limited quantity.
SUSE used to come on 6 CDs during the heyday of CD. Surely it can't be that hard to make 2 DVD images these days. We even had DL demo DVD's. They were 8,5 GB images. Don't know if these media are still around, but I remember burning those with the demo images.
-- Gertjan Lettink a.k.a. Knurpht openSUSE Forums Team -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Am 11.07.2020 um 21:45 schrieb Knurpht-openSUSE:
Op zaterdag 11 juli 2020 21:34:22 CEST schreef Jan Engelhardt:
On Saturday 2020-07-11 16:59, Knurpht-openSUSE wrote:
Those who insist on optical media can use the NET install if they want
The net install requires... network, which, if you choose the DVD, probably don't have, or only in limited quantity.
SUSE used to come on 6 CDs during the heyday of CD. Surely it can't be that hard to make 2 DVD images these days. We even had DL demo DVD's. They were 8,5 GB images. Don't know if these media are still around, but I remember burning those with the demo images.
They contained 4 live cds additionally to the content of DVD - and if I remember right a little more. But I support what seife said later in the thread: we need a sensible barrier and 4.7GB proved to be a good one. Greetings, Stephan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Am 11.07.20 um 16:59 schrieb Knurpht-openSUSE:
That said, none of these provide a solution to your issue @dimstar. But the thought has come to mind to get rid of that barrier.
I think this barrier is a way to remind us to keep the bloat-o-meter to a reasonable scale. Even if it gives dimstar a hard time sometimes ;-) -- Stefan Seyfried "For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for nature cannot be fooled." -- Richard Feynman -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Saturday 2020-07-11 15:32, Axel Braun wrote:
Am Freitag, 10. Juli 2020, 19:09:58 CEST schrieb Dominique Leuenberger / DimStar:
Serves me right for fixing the error and then getting an ISO file that would not ever fit on a DVD, eh? Well, long story short: I needed to save some space, so looked at what the ‘fix’ newly brought on the DVD and aligned to what the DVD looked like before.
Is there really someone out there using a DVD for TW installation?
Yes, here. Because zypper still does not do parallel downloads as of today, network installation takes longer than I would like. The latency inbetween individual GET requests, which is quite independent of the achievable transfer speeds, is a killer. (The transfer speeds also are not very great. I have the feeling I don't always get the download.opensuse.org->ftp.gwdg.de redirect, but have not looked in detail yet.) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Saturday 2020-07-11 17:41, Jan Engelhardt wrote:
On Saturday 2020-07-11 15:32, Axel Braun wrote:
Am Freitag, 10. Juli 2020, 19:09:58 CEST schrieb Dominique Leuenberger / DimStar:
Serves me right for fixing the error and then getting an ISO file that would not ever fit on a DVD, eh? Well, long story short: I needed to save some space, so looked at what the ‘fix’ newly brought on the DVD and aligned to what the DVD looked like before.
Is there really someone out there using a DVD for TW installation?
Yes, here. Because zypper still does not do parallel downloads as of today, network installation takes longer than I would like.
To be clear, DVD *image*, not the spinning plastic plate of the same name. If we had something like Debian's popcnt, we would even know what packages should better be on the image, and which could be delegated to a on-demand network download. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Axel Braun composed on 2020-07-11 15:32 (UTC+0200):
Is there really someone out there using a DVD for TW installation?
I use them far more often than sticks. They're much easier to physically label, and more conveniently stored, in part because all are the same shape and size as other brands and models. More often I use CDs, and do net installs. -- Evolution as taught in public schools is religion, not science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Axel Braun schrieb:
Is there really someone out there using a DVD for TW installation?
Not for TW, but I love using the Leap DVDs I pick up at FOSDEM as a rescue medium if anything breaks on my TW machines in case something breaks esp. around booting (which is rare but sometimes happens). KaiRo -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Axel Braun schrieb:
Is there really someone out there using a DVD for TW installation?
Not for TW, but I love using the Leap DVDs I pick up at FOSDEM as a rescue medium if anything breaks on my TW machines in case something breaks esp. around booting (which is rare but sometimes happens).
KaiRo I have a small box full of usb sticks, all of which have some data on
On 7/11/20 7:00 PM, Robert Kaiser wrote: them. I used a dvd to install TW. So what? --doug -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
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