I think some mail I sent with this slipped through the cracks the other day, so I'm trying again. Here's my brand new idea for how to get DVD images with none of the ever increasing problems with signatures on files: SUSE doesn't want to distribute both DVD and CD iso images due to the impact on mirrors and network traffic, but what about this plan: Create the DVD with the same packages as the 5 CDs, organize the media as it is supposed to be organized, sign all the files correctly, etc. Then, remove all the actual .rpm files from the tree, and make an iso of just the DVD infrastructure that is left over. This will be a relatively small file that could easily be distributed with the CDs. Now, folks who want a DVD need only download the infrastructure iso, and the CD images, copying the .rpm files off the CDs back into the DVD tree, then they can make a new iso with the properly signed files from the DVD infrastructure image and the .rpm files recovered from the CD images. This should be a much simpler script to write than the current makeSUSEdvd and will actually have officially correct signatures on all the files to make all the installers happy. So how bout it? Can we get it in time for 10.2 testing? :-).
On Tue, May 02, 2006 at 07:29:04AM -0400, tomhorsley@adelphia.net wrote:
I think some mail I sent with this slipped through the cracks the other day, so I'm trying again. Here's my brand new idea for how to get DVD images with none of the ever increasing problems with signatures on files:
SUSE doesn't want to distribute both DVD and CD iso images due to the impact on mirrors and network traffic, but what about this plan:
Create the DVD with the same packages as the 5 CDs, organize the media as it is supposed to be organized, sign all the files correctly, etc.
Then, remove all the actual .rpm files from the tree, and make an iso of just the DVD infrastructure that is left over. This will be a relatively small file that could easily be distributed with the CDs.
Now, folks who want a DVD need only download the infrastructure iso, and the CD images, copying the .rpm files off the CDs back into the DVD tree, then they can make a new iso with the properly signed files from the DVD infrastructure image and the .rpm files recovered from the CD images.
This should be a much simpler script to write than the current makeSUSEdvd and will actually have officially correct signatures on all the files to make all the installers happy.
So how bout it? Can we get it in time for 10.2 testing? :-).
Interesting. However if you look at the possibilaties of makeSUSEdvd I think it will partly fail. 1) makeSUSEdvd can use any amount of CD's. From 1 to 6 2) makeSUSEdvd can add rpm's that you have made yourself. makeSUSEdvd is used by several people to include their own software to distribute in several places. It has become more then just a way to make the 5 CD's into 1 DVD. So some part of signing will still need to be included. e.g. I have my own 10.0 DVD that includes MPlayer, all codecs, makeSUSEdvd and several other RPM's. I also asume once I have figured out how to get the signing working, it will be pretty trivial to use and I can start working on a better user interface. :-) houghi -- Nutze die Zeit. Sie ist das Kostbarste, was wir haben, denn es ist unwiederbringliche Lebenszeit. Leben ist aber mehr als Werk und Arbeit, und das Sein wichtiger als das Tun - Johannes Müller-Elmau
houghi wrote:
I also asume once I have figured out how to get the signing working, it will be pretty trivial to use and I can start working on a better user interface. :-)
and probably a better name, as your pretty little beast is going to do much more :-) jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos
tomhorsley@adelphia.net writes:
I think some mail I sent with this slipped through the cracks the other day, so I'm trying again. Here's my brand new idea for how to get DVD images with none of the ever increasing problems with signatures on files:
SUSE doesn't want to distribute both DVD and CD iso images due to the impact on mirrors and network traffic, but what about this plan:
Create the DVD with the same packages as the 5 CDs, organize the media as it is supposed to be organized, sign all the files correctly, etc.
Then, remove all the actual .rpm files from the tree, and make an iso of just the DVD infrastructure that is left over. This will be a relatively small file that could easily be distributed with the CDs.
Jigdo can do this - and we did it for 10.0. This could be done for 10.1 as well, Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, aj@suse.de, http://www.suse.de/~aj/ SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126
On Tue, May 02, 2006 at 01:54:20PM +0200, Andreas Jaeger wrote:
Jigdo can do this - and we did it for 10.0. This could be done for 10.1 as well,
Perhaps Jigdo should be better documented/explained. houghi -- Nutze die Zeit. Sie ist das Kostbarste, was wir haben, denn es ist unwiederbringliche Lebenszeit. Leben ist aber mehr als Werk und Arbeit, und das Sein wichtiger als das Tun - Johannes Müller-Elmau
Andreas Jaeger wrote:
Jigdo can do this - and we did it for 10.0. This could be done for 10.1 as well,
is that true? I was one of the first to ask for jigdo in the very beginning, but did see little interest on it after then http://susewiki.org/index.php?title=Remastering_dvd_with_jigdo is not on opensuse and http://en.opensuse.org/Creating_Jigsaw_Download_Images_for_DVD_and_CD_Sets is not linked from download I know the jigdo directory exists for 10.0 I'll try it and report jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos
jdd wrote:
Andreas Jaeger wrote:
Jigdo can do this - and we did it for 10.0. This could be done for 10.1 as well,
is that true? I was one of the first to ask for jigdo in the very beginning, but did see little interest on it after then
http://susewiki.org/index.php?title=Remastering_dvd_with_jigdo
is not on opensuse and
http://en.opensuse.org/Creating_Jigsaw_Download_Images_for_DVD_and_CD_Sets
is not linked from download
I know the jigdo directory exists for 10.0
I'll try it and report jdd
works (or seems to, I need time to download the hole dvd :-) it asks files from several servers at once good(for me) good for you? I already begin to complete the doc :-) jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos
jdd wrote:
works (or seems to, I need time to download the hole dvd :-)
makes my usb drive crazy :-( and I can't stop is, even kill -9 don't :-( may be the sync problem (I thought I had fixed it, but...) jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos
is that true? I was one of the first to ask for jigdo in the very beginning, but did see little interest on it after then
http://susewiki.org/index.php?title=Remastering_dvd_with_jigdo
Hey! That looks like a nifty tool - I never encountered it before. Shucks, with it we could get rid of the CD iso images as well and just have template files for all the iso images and the factory tree of rpms - even less load on mirror sites (of course someone would have to make sure the template files were updated at the same time the factory tree changed).
On Tue, May 02, 2006 at 01:45:11PM -0400, Tom Horsley wrote:
is that true? I was one of the first to ask for jigdo in the very beginning, but did see little interest on it after then
http://susewiki.org/index.php?title=Remastering_dvd_with_jigdo
Hey! That looks like a nifty tool - I never encountered it before. Shucks, with it we could get rid of the CD iso images as well and just have template files for all the iso images and the factory tree of rpms - even less load on mirror sites (of course someone would have to make sure the template files were updated at the same time the factory tree changed).
Not sure about the load. Wether or not it would be good to update every time factory is updates might also be another question. However I like the idea. I recall it being discussed and then dismissed. I can also imagine that different people can then submit their configurations. I am all for it. If jigdo had been supported clearly from the beginning I probably would never have started with makeSUSEdvd. :-) Most of what jigdo and makeSUSEdvd are doing is overlapping. houghi -- Nutze die Zeit. Sie ist das Kostbarste, was wir haben, denn es ist unwiederbringliche Lebenszeit. Leben ist aber mehr als Werk und Arbeit, und das Sein wichtiger als das Tun - Johannes Müller-Elmau
Tom Horsley wrote:
is that true? I was one of the first to ask for jigdo in the very beginning, but did see little interest on it after then
http://susewiki.org/index.php?title=Remastering_dvd_with_jigdo
Hey! That looks like a nifty tool - I never encountered it before. Shucks, with it we could get rid of the CD iso images as well and just have template files for all the iso images and the factory tree of rpms - even less load on mirror sites (of course someone would have to make sure the template files were updated at the same time the factory tree changed).
AFAIK, jigdo uses wget for retreiving the files (good) and uses some magic then to make a cd/dvd from them. what is spectacular is that it uses several ftp servers at once it simply call download.opensuse.org each time "Connexion vers download.opensuse.org|195.135.221.130|:80...connecté. requête HTTP transmise, en attente de la réponse...302 Found" as the data can be in cache in the download server this should not be a problem it makes downloading very fast. this was overloading my usb2 drive, but I beg the syn problem is not correctly fixed (an graphic yast interface to do this would be very usefull- the xml stuf is horrible) "jigdo" (the GUI) is broken (and say so :-), jigdo-lite works but I don't see any bandwith control (wget...) jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos
On Tuesday 02 May 2006 14:54, Andreas Jaeger wrote:
tomhorsley@adelphia.net writes:
I think some mail I sent with this slipped through the cracks the other day, so I'm trying again. Here's my brand new idea for how to get DVD images with none of the ever increasing problems with signatures on files:
SUSE doesn't want to distribute both DVD and CD iso images due to the impact on mirrors and network traffic, but what about this plan:
Create the DVD with the same packages as the 5 CDs, organize the media as it is supposed to be organized, sign all the files correctly, etc.
Then, remove all the actual .rpm files from the tree, and make an iso of just the DVD infrastructure that is left over. This will be a relatively small file that could easily be distributed with the CDs.
Jigdo can do this - and we did it for 10.0. This could be done for 10.1 as well,
In a BR (#162780) I asked for jigdo again to try out (for a -devel CD at least). Will someone at SUSE create it? Andras -- Quanta Plus developer - http://quanta.kdewebdev.org K Desktop Environment - http://www.kde.org
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