Hi.
The other day, chatting with one of the developers of LXDE, he ask me if I could submit a RC version of one of the desktop components to get feedback before the release. I have tried to submit it to X11:lxde but it has been rejected because they only accept stable packages. This is fine and I don't have any complaints about it.
My question is, could I submit this package to Factory via system:install:head for example? I see git and beta versions of some packages there and that makes me think it is possible. On the other hand, with the movement to Factory Rolling I suppose the contrary because the objetive now is stability. So I really don't know if it is allowed or not. Having two package sources (X11:lxde and the other repo that I could choose) makes me think that the answer is "no".
It is not my intention to make a rule of this and start submitting RC packages, but this one is going to be a 1.0.0 release and it is supposed to be an important milestone. Currently I have the package hosted in my home project but It doesn't have the same visibility that it could have in a more prominent repository.
If the answer is definitely "no", what ways do you know to help testing small projects like LXDE that doesn't have a big user base?
Thanks in advance.
Greetings.
On Tue, 2014-09-30 at 23:01 +0200, jcsl wrote:
Hi.
The other day, chatting with one of the developers of LXDE, he ask me if I could submit a RC version of one of the desktop components to get feedback before the release. I have tried to submit it to X11:lxde but it has been rejected because they only accept stable packages. This is fine and I don't have any complaints about it.
Hi, First off: there is no strict rule to not have RC submitted to Factory. It is at the discretion of the component maintainer(s) to decide if/when they deem a component ready for a larger userbase.
You seem to have tried that route and were denied it though (submitted to the devel repo). This is, frankly speaking, the only way to get a package into Factory (through the respective devel repositories).
My question is, could I submit this package to Factory via system:install:head for example? I see git and beta versions of some packages there and that makes me think it is possible. On the other hand, with the movement to Factory Rolling I suppose the contrary because the objetive now is stability. So I really don't know if it is allowed or not. Having two package sources (X11:lxde and the other repo that I could choose) makes me think that the answer is "no".
It is not my intention to make a rule of this and start submitting RC packages, but this one is going to be a 1.0.0 release and it is supposed to be an important milestone. Currently I have the package hosted in my home project but It doesn't have the same visibility that it could have in a more prominent repository.
If the answer is definitely "no", what ways do you know to help testing small projects like LXDE that doesn't have a big user base?
If you're after testing of a component that you consider worthy to be tested, roll the blog posts, get it out on planet.opensuse.org, tweet about it; you might be surprised on how many users test your things. Obviously, the feedback is important for upstream as well.
Just a hint on how we handle GNOME packages / workflows: - openSUSE Factory get's the 'stable' releases - GNOME:Factory is the devel repository. We check in things at around 'beta' (3.x.90+) - GNOME:Next is our unstable branch. It get's the bleeding edge. We even have an active user base on this one. But everybody is aware of its status; communication is key. The users as well as the devs (if there is a distinction possible after all) commonly sit in the IRC channels and bash on each other :) Not to say this is the perfect way - but for the project area GNOME this seems to work out pretty well so far.
Cheers Dominique
El Martes, 30 de septiembre de 2014 23:12:38 Dimstar / Dominique Leuenberger escribió:
On Tue, 2014-09-30 at 23:01 +0200, jcsl wrote:
Hi.
The other day, chatting with one of the developers of LXDE, he ask me if I could submit a RC version of one of the desktop components to get feedback before the release. I have tried to submit it to X11:lxde but it has been rejected because they only accept stable packages. This is fine and I don't have any complaints about it.
Hi, First off: there is no strict rule to not have RC submitted to Factory. It is at the discretion of the component maintainer(s) to decide if/when they deem a component ready for a larger userbase.
You seem to have tried that route and were denied it though (submitted to the devel repo). This is, frankly speaking, the only way to get a package into Factory (through the respective devel repositories).
My question is, could I submit this package to Factory via system:install:head for example? I see git and beta versions of some packages there and that makes me think it is possible. On the other hand, with the movement to Factory Rolling I suppose the contrary because the objetive now is stability. So I really don't know if it is allowed or not. Having two package sources (X11:lxde and the other repo that I could choose) makes me think that the answer is "no".
It is not my intention to make a rule of this and start submitting RC packages, but this one is going to be a 1.0.0 release and it is supposed to be an important milestone. Currently I have the package hosted in my home project but It doesn't have the same visibility that it could have in a more prominent repository.
If the answer is definitely "no", what ways do you know to help testing small projects like LXDE that doesn't have a big user base?
If you're after testing of a component that you consider worthy to be tested, roll the blog posts, get it out on planet.opensuse.org, tweet about it; you might be surprised on how many users test your things. Obviously, the feedback is important for upstream as well.
Just a hint on how we handle GNOME packages / workflows:
- openSUSE Factory get's the 'stable' releases
- GNOME:Factory is the devel repository. We check in things at around
'beta' (3.x.90+)
- GNOME:Next is our unstable branch. It get's the bleeding edge. We even
have an active user base on this one. But everybody is aware of its status; communication is key. The users as well as the devs (if there is a distinction possible after all) commonly sit in the IRC channels and bash on each other :) Not to say this is the perfect way - but for the project area GNOME this seems to work out pretty well so far.
Cheers Dominique
Thanks for the hints Dominique.
On Wed, 2014-10-01 at 22:33 +0200, jcsl wrote:
El Martes, 30 de septiembre de 2014 23:12:38 Dimstar / Dominique Leuenberger escribió:
On Tue, 2014-09-30 at 23:01 +0200, jcsl wrote:
Hi.
The other day, chatting with one of the developers of LXDE, he ask me if I could submit a RC version of one of the desktop components to get feedback before the release. I have tried to submit it to X11:lxde but it has been rejected because they only accept stable packages. This is fine and I don't have any complaints about it.
Hi, First off: there is no strict rule to not have RC submitted to Factory. It is at the discretion of the component maintainer(s) to decide if/when they deem a component ready for a larger userbase.
You seem to have tried that route and were denied it though (submitted to the devel repo). This is, frankly speaking, the only way to get a package into Factory (through the respective devel repositories).
My question is, could I submit this package to Factory via system:install:head for example? I see git and beta versions of some packages there and that makes me think it is possible. On the other hand, with the movement to Factory Rolling I suppose the contrary because the objetive now is stability. So I really don't know if it is allowed or not. Having two package sources (X11:lxde and the other repo that I could choose) makes me think that the answer is "no".
It is not my intention to make a rule of this and start submitting RC packages, but this one is going to be a 1.0.0 release and it is supposed to be an important milestone. Currently I have the package hosted in my home project but It doesn't have the same visibility that it could have in a more prominent repository.
If the answer is definitely "no", what ways do you know to help testing small projects like LXDE that doesn't have a big user base?
If you're after testing of a component that you consider worthy to be tested, roll the blog posts, get it out on planet.opensuse.org, tweet about it; you might be surprised on how many users test your things. Obviously, the feedback is important for upstream as well.
Just a hint on how we handle GNOME packages / workflows:
- openSUSE Factory get's the 'stable' releases
- GNOME:Factory is the devel repository. We check in things at around
'beta' (3.x.90+)
- GNOME:Next is our unstable branch. It get's the bleeding edge. We even
have an active user base on this one. But everybody is aware of its status; communication is key. The users as well as the devs (if there is a distinction possible after all) commonly sit in the IRC channels and bash on each other :) Not to say this is the perfect way - but for the project area GNOME this seems to work out pretty well so far.
Cheers Dominique
Thanks for the hints Dominique.
That's what I do with LXQt. devel:cloverleaf:lxqt:UNSTABLE is git pulls and RC's. if you want the latest stable, it's in devel:X11:lxde:lxqt (we haven't pushed to factory yet, waiting on 0.8 release)
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