On Saturday, 22 April 2017 14:00:27 BST Richard Brown wrote:

I don't think you thoroughly read the whole email given the last line asked responses to opensuse-project@opensuse.org, not factory ;)

I'm not on the opensuse-project list so i responded to the one posted to tumbleweed. I'll have a read of the list and see if i have anything to contribute.

On 22 April 2017 at 14:53, ianseeks wrote:

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On Saturday, 22 April 2017 12:37:48 BST Richard Brown wrote:

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Hi all,

On behalf of the openSUSE Board and Leap Release Management I am pleased to announce the next version of openSUSE Leap after 42.3 will be:

openSUSE Leap 15

Oh dear.... This continual rebranding, renumbering and renaming only causes confusion, it looks like no-one knows what they are doing especially after the big-sell of Leap and 42. The same happened with the rebranding of KDE5 to Plasma when everyone expects common sense to continue with KDE5 as its got so much history and its logical to go from KDE4 to KDE5.

I guess it keeps someone busy.

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As with Leap 42.x, minor releases are expected annually for at least 3 years, so you can expect a Leap 15.1 to follow, then 15.2 and onwards.

Obviously this is quite a dramatic change from the current version number of 42.x, so I will explain what justifies this change in some detail below.

First, some history. When we started openSUSE Leap, the version number was an issue that needed addressing. openSUSE at that time was at 13.2, but SUSE Linux Enterprise (SLE) was at 12 and heading towards 12 SP1.

As the main unique selling point of Leap compared to every other distribution is the fact it is based on SLE sources. We wanted to reflect that in the version number. This was particularly important when you consider that a major version in SLE really means something ("major architectural changes from the last version are introduced here") whereas minor versions/service packs have a very different message ("easy to upgrade to, no major workflow breaking changes"). Leap follows a similar philosophy, so we wanted a versioning scheme to reflect SLEs.

But openSUSE had already had versions starting with 12, so we couldn't sync up with SLE. This is where 42.x came from. It gave us the opportunity to establish a relationship with SLE versions (SLE Version + 30 = Leap Version), reflect the major/minor nature of Leap releases, and avoid clashes with version numbers we'd already used. The choice of 42 doubled as a humorous nod to hitchhikers guide to the galaxy and the first version numbers of SuSE Linux and YaST (4.2 and 0.42 respectively).

The plan was therefore for the next version of Leap to be 43 with it's release aligned with SLE 13, followed by Leap 43.1 (with SLE 13 SP1), Leap 43.2 (w. SP2), etc

However, like all good plans, things change.

SUSE have decided that their next version of SLE will be 15, not 13.

Upon learning of SUSE's plans the Board and Leap release team have been considering our options. This included ignoring the changes to SLE and releasing Leap 43 as planned, at the cost of the link between SLE versions and Leap versions. 45 was also considered, as were some frankly hilarious ideas that made me worry about my own sanity and that of my fellow contributors.

After considering the pros and cons of all the options however, the decision has been that Leap 15 will be our next version.

SUSE's decision to skip SLE 13 and 14 gave us a perfect opportunity to sync up with SLE versions like we always wanted to originally with Leap. It's an opportunity we will not be able to take so easily a few years from now if we continued with Leaps current versioning.

There are only a few packages in our distribution that reference the 42.x versioning, and they should be easily handled as part of a zypper dup, so we are not concerned about this decision impacting users upgrading.

We are aware that this decision could be a minor annoyance for users of Leap with configuration management tools like saltstack and puppet, but the long term opportunity to simplify such configuration (by being able to treat SLE and Leap similarly) outweighed our desire to avoid a 'one-time' effort for people currently handling the overly complicated situation caused by Leap being at 42.x and SLE being at 12 SPx.

Packagers should be able to look forward to an easier time of things as a result of this change. We intend to deprecate the 0%{leap_version} macro and simplify the current complex nest of suse_version and sle_versions that can make it very frustrating to build packages appropriately for Tumbleweed, Leap and SLE.

0%{suse_version} should continue to be available as a simple indicator of the major version of Leap & SLE for packagers (eg, 0%{suse_version} == 1500 is the expected value for SLE 15 and Leap 15 and all of their minor versions/service packs).

0%{sle_version} should remain as a more precise indicator when packagers need to handle specific versions of Leap and SLE (eg. 0%{sle_version} == 150000 is the expected value for SLE 15 & Leap 15, with 150100 being the expected value for SLE 15 SP1 & Leap 15.1)

0%{is_opensuse} will continue for those times when packagers need to distinguish between Leap and SLE even though they will now more closely share their versions.

The above examples and what the future suse_version number will be for Tumbleweed is not yet final, so expect to see emails from ludwig in opensuse-factory@opensuse.org when they are set.

Thanks to everyone involved in this so far, I'm looking forward to seeing what we make out of Leap 15, and even though I cross-posted this I would like to ask that any followup conversation is kept to the opensuse-project@opensuse.org thread.

Regards,

Richard Brown on behalf of the openSUSE Board

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