[opensuse-factory] Dropping VDR and plugins.
Hi, if nobody wants to maintain VDR and the plugins in Factory and Leap, I'm going to file drop requests for it on Fr 21. Jun 20:00 UTC 2019 VDR will still be available, maintained by me, from the "vdr" and "vdr:plugins" projects. As the minimal number of bug reports I received in the last years shows, there are only an handful of users, and the effort of keeping it in factory is surely spent better elsewhere than obeying crazy rules about changelog entries. -- Stefan Seyfried "For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for nature cannot be fooled." -- Richard Feynman -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 21/06/2019, Stefan Seyfried <stefan.seyfried@googlemail.com> wrote:
Hi,
if nobody wants to maintain VDR and the plugins in Factory and Leap, I'm going to file drop requests for it on Fr 21. Jun 20:00 UTC 2019
VDR will still be available, maintained by me, from the "vdr" and "vdr:plugins" projects.
As the minimal number of bug reports I received in the last years shows, there are only an handful of users, and the effort of keeping it in factory is surely spent better elsewhere than obeying crazy rules about changelog entries. -- Stefan Seyfried
So long and thanks for all the fish -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Am 21.06.19 um 20:35 schrieb Stefan Seyfried:
Hi,
if nobody wants to maintain VDR and the plugins in Factory and Leap, I'm going to file drop requests for it on Fr 21. Jun 20:00 UTC 2019
requests 711385-711392 -- Stefan Seyfried "For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for nature cannot be fooled." -- Richard Feynman -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Hi! On 6/21/19 8:35 PM, Stefan Seyfried wrote:
if nobody wants to maintain VDR and the plugins in Factory and Leap, I'm going to file drop requests for it on Fr 21. Jun 20:00 UTC 2019
Aren't 90 minutes a bit of a short notice for removing a package?
VDR will still be available, maintained by me, from the "vdr" and "vdr:plugins" projects.
As the minimal number of bug reports I received in the last years shows, there are only an handful of users, and the effort of keeping it in factory is surely spent better elsewhere than obeying crazy rules about changelog entries.
I don't think the rules for changelogs are crazy. Just document what you changed in short, concise sentences. No need to write an essay there ;-). Adrian
Am 22.06.19 um 05:08 schrieb John Paul Adrian Glaubitz:
Hi!
On 6/21/19 8:35 PM, Stefan Seyfried wrote:
if nobody wants to maintain VDR and the plugins in Factory and Leap, I'm going to file drop requests for it on Fr 21. Jun 20:00 UTC 2019
Aren't 90 minutes a bit of a short notice for removing a package?
We can wait for another year, and if someone steps up she can easily reinstate the packages.
I don't think the rules for changelogs are crazy. Just document what you changed in short, concise sentences. No need to write an essay there ;-).
Read the corresponding thread. It's exactly the opposite. -- Stefan Seyfried "For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for nature cannot be fooled." -- Richard Feynman -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Saturday 2019-06-22 05:08, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
On 6/21/19 8:35 PM, Stefan Seyfried wrote:
if nobody wants to maintain VDR and the plugins in Factory and Leap, I'm going to file drop requests for it on Fr 21. Jun 20:00 UTC 2019
Aren't 90 minutes a bit of a short notice for removing a package?
There is no requirement to wait, let alone announce deletion at all. "Maintainer decides", just like in Debian (where the concept is practiced even stronger). -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 6/22/19 11:26 PM, Jan Engelhardt wrote:
On Saturday 2019-06-22 05:08, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
On 6/21/19 8:35 PM, Stefan Seyfried wrote:
if nobody wants to maintain VDR and the plugins in Factory and Leap, I'm going to file drop requests for it on Fr 21. Jun 20:00 UTC 2019
Aren't 90 minutes a bit of a short notice for removing a package?
There is no requirement to wait, let alone announce deletion at all.
What's the point of making such an announcement with a deadline then? That makes no sense. If you announce that you are no longer interested in maintaining a package, you should offer it up for adoption and see if someone else is willing to pick it up.
"Maintainer decides", just like in Debian (where the concept is practiced even stronger).
How is it stronger in Debian when the common practice in Debian is to orphan a package and offer it up for adoption? I have been involved in Debian for 10+ years but I have never heard that maintainers filed a removal bug the moment they dropped their package. That's rather uncommon. Packages in Debian are usually only removed from unstable when upstream is dead or the package has been in a very bad shape for a long time with no one willing to pick it up for maintenance. Adrian
Am Samstag, 22. Juni 2019, 23:42:01 CEST schrieb John Paul Adrian Glaubitz:
How is it stronger in Debian when the common practice in Debian is to orphan a package and offer it up for adoption? I have been involved in Debian for 10+ years but I have never heard that maintainers filed a removal bug the moment they dropped their package. That's rather uncommon.
Adrian, Stefan was frustrated, like every human being out there is from time to time. He invests a lot of time and effort in our project, hence we should take that with some sympathy (I do!). Cheers, Pete -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 2019-06-22 23:26, Jan Engelhardt wrote:
On Saturday 2019-06-22 05:08, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
On 6/21/19 8:35 PM, Stefan Seyfried wrote:
if nobody wants to maintain VDR and the plugins in Factory and Leap, I'm going to file drop requests for it on Fr 21. Jun 20:00 UTC 2019
Aren't 90 minutes a bit of a short notice for removing a package?
There is no requirement to wait, let alone announce deletion at all.
"Maintainer decides", just like in Debian (where the concept is practiced even stronger).
Sure and someone can step up and maintain it instead, if they care. ismail -- SUSE Linux GmbH, Maxfeldstrasse 5, 90409 Nuernberg, Germany GF: Felix Imendörffer, Mary Higgins, Sri Rasiah HRB 21284 (AG Nürnberg) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 6/23/19 3:49 PM, Hans-Peter Jansen wrote:
Am Samstag, 22. Juni 2019, 23:42:01 CEST schrieb John Paul Adrian Glaubitz:
How is it stronger in Debian when the common practice in Debian is to orphan a package and offer it up for adoption? I have been involved in Debian for 10+ years but I have never heard that maintainers filed a removal bug the moment they dropped their package. That's rather uncommon.
Adrian, Stefan was frustrated, like every human being out there is from time to time. He invests a lot of time and effort in our project, hence we should take that with some sympathy (I do!).
I don't see how that has to do with what I said. My point is: If you make such an announcement, allow some more time for someone to step in and take over. It just makes no sense to me to give a a 90 minutes notice as the chance that someone is able to react to this in time is nearly zero. PS: And I think we all here invest a lot of time into open source, Stefan is not alone in this :-). Adrian
Hi I am using vdr on a regular basis (under the most recent tumbleweed). So I would be interested to keep it in the distribution, eg would vote to keep it in. (I have never maintained any package .. no idea what woul need to be done?) best regards Christian Am 22.06.19 um 23:42 schrieb John Paul Adrian Glaubitz:
On 6/22/19 11:26 PM, Jan Engelhardt wrote:
On Saturday 2019-06-22 05:08, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
On 6/21/19 8:35 PM, Stefan Seyfried wrote:
if nobody wants to maintain VDR and the plugins in Factory and Leap, I'm going to file drop requests for it on Fr 21. Jun 20:00 UTC 2019 Aren't 90 minutes a bit of a short notice for removing a package? There is no requirement to wait, let alone announce deletion at all. What's the point of making such an announcement with a deadline then?
That makes no sense. If you announce that you are no longer interested in maintaining a package, you should offer it up for adoption and see if someone else is willing to pick it up.
"Maintainer decides", just like in Debian (where the concept is practiced even stronger). How is it stronger in Debian when the common practice in Debian is to orphan a package and offer it up for adoption? I have been involved in Debian for 10+ years but I have never heard that maintainers filed a removal bug the moment they dropped their package. That's rather uncommon.
Packages in Debian are usually only removed from unstable when upstream is dead or the package has been in a very bad shape for a long time with no one willing to pick it up for maintenance.
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Am 26.06.19 um 12:20 schrieb Christian Mahr:
Hi
I am using vdr on a regular basis (under the most recent tumbleweed). So I would be interested to keep it in the distribution, eg would vote to keep it in.
(I have never maintained any package .. no idea what woul need to be done?)
I will keep maintaing the packages in the vdr project. I will not submit them to Factory anymore. So all you need to do is: forward packages to Factory (and probably you'll need to edit the spec files and changelogs to satisfy the bot. You will need a different devel project to add these additional changes, and from which you can submit to Factory). I can create e.g. vdr:Factory project which then can be assigned to you and you can populate it with whatever you want. Or you can just use the packages from the vdr repo in the future. -- Stefan Seyfried "For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for nature cannot be fooled." -- Richard Feynman -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Am Mittwoch, 26. Juni 2019, 12:42:01 CEST schrieb Stefan Seyfried:
Am 26.06.19 um 12:20 schrieb Christian Mahr:
Hi
I am using vdr on a regular basis (under the most recent tumbleweed). So I would be interested to keep it in the distribution, eg would vote to keep it in.
(I have never maintained any package .. no idea what woul need to be done?)
Thank you for stepping up, Christian.
I will keep maintaing the packages in the vdr project. I will not submit them to Factory anymore.
So all you need to do is: forward packages to Factory (and probably you'll need to edit the spec files and changelogs to satisfy the bot. You will need a different devel project to add these additional changes, and from which you can submit to Factory).
Why not giving him access to https://build.opensuse.org/project/show/vdr and maintain it just in ONE place?
I can create e.g. vdr:Factory project which then can be assigned to you and you can populate it with whatever you want.
Or you can just use the packages from the vdr repo in the future.
...Thats not the idea behind a devel-project. Cheers Axel PS: I know the bot can be annoying....I have my issues with it as well. But I dont have 100 patches... -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Am 26.06.19 um 18:25 schrieb Axel Braun:
Am Mittwoch, 26. Juni 2019, 12:42:01 CEST schrieb Stefan Seyfried:
Am 26.06.19 um 12:20 schrieb Christian Mahr:
Hi
I am using vdr on a regular basis (under the most recent tumbleweed). So I would be interested to keep it in the distribution, eg would vote to keep it in.
(I have never maintained any package .. no idea what woul need to be done?)
Thank you for stepping up, Christian.
I will keep maintaing the packages in the vdr project. I will not submit them to Factory anymore.
So all you need to do is: forward packages to Factory (and probably you'll need to edit the spec files and changelogs to satisfy the bot. You will need a different devel project to add these additional changes, and from which you can submit to Factory).
Why not giving him access to https://build.opensuse.org/project/show/vdr and maintain it just in ONE place?
OK, I'll just hand over the maintenance to whomever wants to do it. Let me just create a backup first...
I can create e.g. vdr:Factory project which then can be assigned to you and you can populate it with whatever you want.
Or you can just use the packages from the vdr repo in the future.
...Thats not the idea behind a devel-project.
vdr:Factory would be the devel-project for Factory, not vdr. -- Stefan Seyfried "For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for nature cannot be fooled." -- Richard Feynman -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 26/06/2019 20:12, Stefan Seyfried wrote:
Am 26.06.19 um 12:20 schrieb Christian Mahr:
Hi
I am using vdr on a regular basis (under the most recent tumbleweed). So I would be interested to keep it in the distribution, eg would vote to keep it in.
(I have never maintained any package .. no idea what woul need to be done?)
I will keep maintaing the packages in the vdr project. I will not submit them to Factory anymore.
So all you need to do is: forward packages to Factory (and probably you'll need to edit the spec files and changelogs to satisfy the bot. You will need a different devel project to add these additional changes, and from which you can submit to Factory). I can create e.g. vdr:Factory project which then can be assigned to you and you can populate it with whatever you want.
Or you can just use the packages from the vdr repo in the future.
I think it really makes sense for the vdr repo to continue as the devel project, if you want to do your own thing for your own use this is why we have home repos. -- Simon Lees (Simotek) http://simotek.net Emergency Update Team keybase.io/simotek SUSE Linux Adelaide Australia, UTC+10:30 GPG Fingerprint: 5B87 DB9D 88DC F606 E489 CEC5 0922 C246 02F0 014B -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Am 27.06.19 um 13:37 schrieb Simon Lees:
I think it really makes sense for the vdr repo to continue as the devel project, if you want to do your own thing for your own use this is why we have home repos.
Sure, just make sure you remove me from the maintainer field of vdr and vdr:* repos once you found someone wo wants to maintain those packages. (I did not yet remove myself to be able to provide fixes to the VDR users until you found a new maintainer. I already dropped the bugowner fields) -- Stefan Seyfried "For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for nature cannot be fooled." -- Richard Feynman -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
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