Am Samstag, 1. Februar 2014 schrieb plinnell:
On Fri, 31 Jan 2014 10:49:34 +0100
Frederic Crozat <fcrozat(a)suse.com> wrote:
> Le jeudi 30 janvier 2014 à 19:21 +0100, Yamaban a écrit :
> > Question to the SLE Team:
> > - What's the planned release / gold-master date for SLE-12?
> I can only share SLE 12 will be released in second half of 2014.
Personally, I'm not too interested in SLE (I don't use it ;-) - but
nevertheless knowing some more timeline details would be helpful.
For example, as upstream of PostfixAdmin and (partly) AppArmor, it would
be good to know something like "submit to Factory until $DATE if you
want to be sure SLE will ship this version" would be good.
Not "good for me" (again, I don't use SLE), but "good for SLE
(because they'll get a more up-to-date version of $package) and also
"good for SUSE" (because maintaining "old" versions can cause quite
work after upstream focuses on the new version, and that work could
easily be avoided by having the newer version from the beginning).
Sometimes people need a reason to do a release _now_ (instead next
month), and knowing you'll get the new version into SLE can be a good
motivation at least for some people and projects ;-)
> > Why? IMHO releaseing the next OSS (13.2) at
least 4-8 weeks prior
> > to
> > that would give the SLE team some time to cleanup the remaining /
> > fresh detected issues and eleminate them before publishing them
> > to paying customers.
> Please note SLE 12 work will be pushed back to openSUSE (whenever
> possible) but SLE people aren't bound to openSUSE releases, so there
> is no point to try to sync openSUSE on SLE 12 releases.
True, but OTOH it won't hurt.
That said, if you release SLE12 before openSUSE 13.2, it should finally
push the "openSUSE is the SLE testbed" opinion away ;-)
Since I have joined SUSE and have seen the
"inside", the community
should not doubt for a second SUSE's commitment to openSUSE. I think
it is fair to say from all that I know that SUSE feels the health and
success of openSUSE is vital. That comes from the executive team down.
I only have an external view (+ some insights from talking to various
SUSE people), nevertheless I can agree. Part of the motivation is
probably to get some work done by volunteers, but I'm sure this is not
the only and not the main motivation.
The problem is probably that the mail from the openSUSE team sounded
like "we'll stop working on factory and the openSUSE release, here's the
password, do whatever you want with it" (ok, I'm exaggerating ;-)
In the meantime (and several mails later), things were clarified.
Nevertheless, the first mail was a bit ;-) shocking, and I'm not too
surprised about the long and flamy discussion it caused.
Attachmate as a company gives SUSE a great deal of
fact, without getting into particulars, Attachmate sees SUSE as a
vital part of its growth. Just looking at the investments going into
SUSE and openSUSE is the proof.
Maybe Attachmate or SUSE should invest in an "how to communicate with
the community" training? *SCNR*
Don't get me wrong - I don't want marketing speak, but avoiding at least
every second stumbling block would be a good idea ;-) 
PS: non-random sig ;-)
 some of them even thought I _am_ working for SUSE - maybe
I submitted too many bugreports? ;-)
 except if you want to give me enough content for a follow-up to
my "1001 bugs" talk for one of the next openSUSE conferences *eg*
We are sorry
for any inconvience caused. [...]
Now I'm *REALLY* annoyed. This is
suse-security, not your press
Ok, translated I want to say:
"Yes, we fucked up. We try harder not to fuck up in the future." :)
is this satisfyingly techy enough ? :)
[> suse AT rio.vg and Marcus Meissner in suse-security]
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