On 07/03/11 17:51, Greg KH wrote:

On Mon, Mar 07, 2011 at 08:49:30AM -0800, Greg KH wrote:

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On Mon, Mar 07, 2011 at 08:13:03AM -0800, Greg KH wrote:

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Hi,

As the repos for 11.4 are now open for syncing from, I've disabled the tumbleweed repo, and am redoing it for 11.4 at this moment.

So I recommend disabling your tumbleweed repo, updating to 11.4, and then waiting until later today when the tumbleweed repo has been synced up to 11.4 packages. I'll do an announcement when that happens as well.

Actually, disable tumbleweed _BEFORE_ updating to 11.4 seems like the better idea, I just ran into problems with going from a direct tumbleweed/11.3 release to 11.4, so I suggest not trying this if at all possible.

Hm, this might not be a tumbleweed problem, others have hit this as well: https://bugzilla.novell.com/677425

Interesting. I've upgraded 3 machines from 11.3, one had Tumbleweed installed. On each machine I changed those repos that were available and disabled the rest including Tumbleweed I did not do "zypper in zypper" just "zypper dup" all systems seem to be OK. DC -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

On 07/03/11 18:25, Greg KH wrote:

On Mon, Mar 07, 2011 at 06:18:17PM +0100, Dave Cotton wrote:

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On 07/03/11 17:51, Greg KH wrote:

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On Mon, Mar 07, 2011 at 08:49:30AM -0800, Greg KH wrote:

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On Mon, Mar 07, 2011 at 08:13:03AM -0800, Greg KH wrote:

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Hi,

As the repos for 11.4 are now open for syncing from, I've disabled the tumbleweed repo, and am redoing it for 11.4 at this moment.

So I recommend disabling your tumbleweed repo, updating to 11.4, and then waiting until later today when the tumbleweed repo has been synced up to 11.4 packages. I'll do an announcement when that happens as well.

Actually, disable tumbleweed _BEFORE_ updating to 11.4 seems like the better idea, I just ran into problems with going from a direct tumbleweed/11.3 release to 11.4, so I suggest not trying this if at all possible.

Hm, this might not be a tumbleweed problem, others have hit this as well: https://bugzilla.novell.com/677425

Interesting. I've upgraded 3 machines from 11.3, one had Tumbleweed installed.

On each machine I changed those repos that were available and disabled the rest including Tumbleweed I did not do "zypper in zypper" just "zypper dup" all systems seem to be OK.

Was this on a x86-64 machine, or a i386 machine?

2 x86_64 machines and 1 i386 DC -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

On Tue, Mar 08, 2011 at 06:19:50AM -0800, Greg KH wrote: [ 8< ]

Ok, Tumbleweed is back open and in business for the 11.4 release.

Very nice. Please take the current Samba from network:samba:STABLE too. At the moment it is already a minor version ahead of the one included with openSUSE 11.4. Yes, even if 11.4 isn't really out of the door. Lars -- Lars Müller [ˈlaː(r)z ˈmʏlɐ] Samba Team SUSE Linux, Maxfeldstraße 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany

On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 9:19 AM, Greg KH wrote:

On Mon, Mar 07, 2011 at 08:13:03AM -0800, Greg KH wrote:

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Hi,

As the repos for 11.4 are now open for syncing from, I've disabled the tumbleweed repo, and am redoing it for 11.4 at this moment.

So I recommend disabling your tumbleweed repo, updating to 11.4, and then waiting until later today when the tumbleweed repo has been synced up to 11.4 packages.  I'll do an announcement when that happens as well.

Ok, Tumbleweed is back open and in business for the 11.4 release.

I'll be working on the wiki today to try to update it with more information, and possibly a "one-click-install" file as well to make it easier for users.

If you are running 11.3, and try to update with Tumbleweed in your repo list, it will seem to work for now, but installing at least one package from it (vim-enhanced) will fail, which says you need to move to 11.4.

Which reminds me, does anyone have an idea of a package that I should include that almost everyone always does have installed that links to a new library version in 11.4 that would fail if you tried to install it on 11.3 so we can provide a way to "warn" people who try to do this incorrectly on 11.3?

thanks,

greg k-h

What if you made your own version of openSUSE-release, say openSUSE-release-tumbleweed, and gave it a "requires: aaa_base >= 11.4" -Todd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 10:39 AM, Greg KH wrote:

On Tue, Mar 08, 2011 at 10:26:33AM -0500, todd rme wrote:

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On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 9:19 AM, Greg KH wrote:

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On Mon, Mar 07, 2011 at 08:13:03AM -0800, Greg KH wrote:

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Hi,

As the repos for 11.4 are now open for syncing from, I've disabled the tumbleweed repo, and am redoing it for 11.4 at this moment.

So I recommend disabling your tumbleweed repo, updating to 11.4, and then waiting until later today when the tumbleweed repo has been synced up to 11.4 packages.  I'll do an announcement when that happens as well.

Ok, Tumbleweed is back open and in business for the 11.4 release.

I'll be working on the wiki today to try to update it with more information, and possibly a "one-click-install" file as well to make it easier for users.

If you are running 11.3, and try to update with Tumbleweed in your repo list, it will seem to work for now, but installing at least one package from it (vim-enhanced) will fail, which says you need to move to 11.4.

Which reminds me, does anyone have an idea of a package that I should include that almost everyone always does have installed that links to a new library version in 11.4 that would fail if you tried to install it on 11.3 so we can provide a way to "warn" people who try to do this incorrectly on 11.3?

thanks,

greg k-h

What if you made your own version of openSUSE-release, say openSUSE-release-tumbleweed, and gave it a "requires: aaa_base >= 11.4"

Well, if I named the release package *-tumbleweed, then it would not ever get installed, I would have to override the openSUSE-release package.

Which is something I've been considering doing, anyone have an objection to that?

thanks,

greg k-h

Is there any reason you are aware of that the approach you are suggesting could be undesirable or could lead to problems? In other words, do you know of any reason why someone might have an objection? -Todd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

On Tue, Mar 08, 2011 at 09:46:38AM -0800, Greg KH wrote:

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Is there any reason you are aware of that the approach you are suggesting could be undesirable or could lead to problems?

At first try, it seems pretty hard, if not impossible to link to the _product:openSUSE:release package in the openSUSE:11.4 repo, anyone know how to resolve that/

Nevermind, I figured it out... -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

On Tue, Mar 08, 2011 at 07:57:13PM +0200, Vahis wrote:

On 03/08/2011 04:19 PM, Greg KH wrote:

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Ok, Tumbleweed is back open and in business for the 11.4 release.

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Which reminds me, does anyone have an idea of a package that I should include that almost everyone always does have installed

I seem to get nagged at boot about preload. I don't know if I need it but in case, the preload matching the kernel does not exist in Tumbleweed.

Wierd, it's failing to build right now, sorry about that, I'll work on it. You can just uninstall the preload kmp and run Tumbleweed's kernel right now if you like, that's what I normally do on my machines. thanks, greg k-h -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

On Tue, 2011-03-08 at 10:25 -0800, Greg KH wrote:

On Tue, Mar 08, 2011 at 07:57:13PM +0200, Vahis wrote:

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On 03/08/2011 04:19 PM, Greg KH wrote:

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Ok, Tumbleweed is back open and in business for the 11.4 release.

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Which reminds me, does anyone have an idea of a package that I should include that almost everyone always does have installed

I seem to get nagged at boot about preload. I don't know if I need it but in case, the preload matching the kernel does not exist in Tumbleweed.

Wierd, it's failing to build right now, sorry about that, I'll work on it.

You can just uninstall the preload kmp and run Tumbleweed's kernel right now if you like, that's what I normally do on my machines.

Heh, package kit said I should update preload this morning, and I let it do that. Mistake. It turned my box into a turd, took minutes to login, while it ground my disk to powder. Whacked it, box is all better now. -Mike -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

On Tue, 2011-03-22 at 06:56 -0700, Greg KH wrote:

On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 07:37:58AM +0100, Mike Galbraith wrote:

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On Tue, 2011-03-08 at 10:25 -0800, Greg KH wrote:

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On Tue, Mar 08, 2011 at 07:57:13PM +0200, Vahis wrote:

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On 03/08/2011 04:19 PM, Greg KH wrote:

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Ok, Tumbleweed is back open and in business for the 11.4 release.

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Which reminds me, does anyone have an idea of a package that I should include that almost everyone always does have installed

I seem to get nagged at boot about preload. I don't know if I need it but in case, the preload matching the kernel does not exist in Tumbleweed.

Wierd, it's failing to build right now, sorry about that, I'll work on it.

You can just uninstall the preload kmp and run Tumbleweed's kernel right now if you like, that's what I normally do on my machines.

Heh, package kit said I should update preload this morning, and I let it do that. Mistake. It turned my box into a turd, took minutes to login, while it ground my disk to powder.

Whacked it, box is all better now.

Did you also update systemtap like 'zypper dup' would have said was needed?

If it said that, I didn't notice... so nope. However, I had done a couple full updates prior to this one, and it says it's up to date. I'll reinstall it, and see what happens. -Mike -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

I'm getting the following build errors at the end of the preload build process: dependency check for preload-debugsource-1.2-2.x86_64.rpm: dependency check for preload-debuginfo-1.2-2.x86_64.rpm: dependency check for preload-kmp-desktop-debuginfo-1.2_k2.6.37.2_15-2.x86_64.rpm: dependency check for preload-kmp-default-debuginfo-1.2_k2.6.37.2_15-2.x86_64.rpm: ... running 06-check-installtest ... testing for pre/postinstall scripts that are not idempotent insserv: FATAL: service earlysyslog has to exists for service earlyxdm insserv: FATAL: service dbus has to exists for service earlyxdm insserv: exiting now! postuninstall script of preload-1.2-2.x86_64.rpm failed Any ideas what changed recently to cause this problem and what it might mean? thanks, greg k-h -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

On Tue, Mar 08, 2011 at 09:45:48PM +0100, Stephan Kulow wrote:

Am Dienstag, 8. März 2011, 20:38:23 schrieb Greg KH:

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I'm getting the following build errors at the end of the preload build process:

dependency check for preload-debugsource-1.2-2.x86_64.rpm: dependency check for preload-debuginfo-1.2-2.x86_64.rpm: dependency check for preload-kmp-desktop-debuginfo-1.2_k2.6.37.2_15-2.x86_64.rpm: dependency check for preload-kmp-default-debuginfo-1.2_k2.6.37.2_15-2.x86_64.rpm: ... running 06-check-installtest ... testing for pre/postinstall scripts that are not idempotent insserv: FATAL: service earlysyslog has to exists for service earlyxdm insserv: FATAL: service dbus has to exists for service earlyxdm insserv: exiting now! postuninstall script of preload-1.2-2.x86_64.rpm failed

Any ideas what changed recently to cause this problem and what it might mean?

I asked Werner to leave out the FATAL key word for the exit 0 and it seems something went wrong - at least now it does exit 1 ;(

Yep ... in my patch I've a small lathe boolean[1] like: +#ifndef OSCBUILD + warn("Service %s is missed in the runlevels %s to use service %s\n", + must->name, lvl2str(clvl), cur->name); +#else + warn("FATAL: service %s is missed in the runlevels %s to use service %s\n", + must->name, lvl2str(clvl), cur->name); + waserr = true; +#endif ... just replace `ifndef' with `ifdef' and all will be OK. Werner [1]: Freudian slip ;) -- "Having a smoking section in a restaurant is like having a peeing section in a swimming pool." -- Edward Burr -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

On Wed, Mar 09, 2011 at 09:41:45AM +0100, Stephan Kulow wrote:

Am Mittwoch, 9. März 2011 schrieb Dr. Werner Fink:

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On Tue, Mar 08, 2011 at 09:45:48PM +0100, Stephan Kulow wrote:

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Am Dienstag, 8. März 2011, 20:38:23 schrieb Greg KH:

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I'm getting the following build errors at the end of the preload build process:

dependency check for preload-debugsource-1.2-2.x86_64.rpm: dependency check for preload-debuginfo-1.2-2.x86_64.rpm: dependency check for preload-kmp-desktop-debuginfo-1.2_k2.6.37.2_15-2.x86_64.rpm: dependency check for preload-kmp-default-debuginfo-1.2_k2.6.37.2_15-2.x86_64.rpm: ... running 06-check-installtest ... testing for pre/postinstall scripts that are not idempotent insserv: FATAL: service earlysyslog has to exists for service earlyxdm insserv: FATAL: service dbus has to exists for service earlyxdm insserv: exiting now! postuninstall script of preload-1.2-2.x86_64.rpm failed

Any ideas what changed recently to cause this problem and what it might mean?

I asked Werner to leave out the FATAL key word for the exit 0 and it seems something went wrong - at least now it does exit 1 ;(

Yep ... in my patch I've a small lathe boolean[1] like:

+#ifndef OSCBUILD + warn("Service %s is missed in the runlevels %s to use service %s\n", + must->name, lvl2str(clvl), cur->name); +#else + warn("FATAL: service %s is missed in the runlevels %s to use service %s\n", + must->name, lvl2str(clvl), cur->name); + waserr = true; +#endif

... just replace `ifndef' with `ifdef' and all will be OK.

Fixing that for Factory is pointless as we wanted to have it FATAL there anyway, but I think doing an update for 11.4 would be worth it ;(

As I can't build this package in openSUSE:11.4, something really strange happened there, it would be good to have a reproducably buildable system...

For tumbleweed I just fix preload - or I suggest to just drop it and hope for systemd's readahead to be developed into something useful (last time I checked it makes booting slower on my thinkpad)

How can I "fix" preload in this manner? Where do I fix this? confused, greg k-h -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

On Wed, Mar 09, 2011 at 04:08:44PM +0100, Stephan Kulow wrote:

Am Mittwoch, 9. März 2011 schrieb Greg KH:

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As I can't build this package in openSUSE:11.4, something really strange happened there, it would be good to have a reproducably buildable system... 11.4 was in maintenance mode after RC2 and we made a broken update, this can happen with our normal maintenance too.

Sure, but I can't seem to figure out what broke here. Was it just insserv?

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For tumbleweed I just fix preload - or I suggest to just drop it and hope for systemd's readahead to be developed into something useful (last time I checked it makes booting slower on my thinkpad)

How can I "fix" preload in this manner? Where do I fix this?

Take either factory's insserv or factory's preload or both.

As the "root" preload package (which should be in Base:System) also fails in this way, why would the openSUSE:Factory package be different? Changing insserv makes more sense, I'll grab the version in Base:System right now and see if that solves the issue. thanks, greg k-h -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

On Wed, Mar 09, 2011 at 07:22:16AM -0800, Greg KH wrote:

On Wed, Mar 09, 2011 at 04:08:44PM +0100, Stephan Kulow wrote:

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Am Mittwoch, 9. März 2011 schrieb Greg KH:

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As I can't build this package in openSUSE:11.4, something really strange happened there, it would be good to have a reproducably buildable system... 11.4 was in maintenance mode after RC2 and we made a broken update, this can happen with our normal maintenance too.

Sure, but I can't seem to figure out what broke here. Was it just insserv?

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For tumbleweed I just fix preload - or I suggest to just drop it and hope for systemd's readahead to be developed into something useful (last time I checked it makes booting slower on my thinkpad)

How can I "fix" preload in this manner? Where do I fix this?

Take either factory's insserv or factory's preload or both.

As the "root" preload package (which should be in Base:System) also fails in this way, why would the openSUSE:Factory package be different?

Changing insserv makes more sense, I'll grab the version in Base:System right now and see if that solves the issue.

Ok, that worked, thanks for your help. greg k-h -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

On Wed, Mar 09, 2011 at 07:33:12AM +0100, Takashi Iwai wrote:

At Tue, 8 Mar 2011 11:38:23 -0800, Greg KH wrote:

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I'm getting the following build errors at the end of the preload build process:

dependency check for preload-debugsource-1.2-2.x86_64.rpm: dependency check for preload-debuginfo-1.2-2.x86_64.rpm: dependency check for preload-kmp-desktop-debuginfo-1.2_k2.6.37.2_15-2.x86_64.rpm: dependency check for preload-kmp-default-debuginfo-1.2_k2.6.37.2_15-2.x86_64.rpm: ... running 06-check-installtest ... testing for pre/postinstall scripts that are not idempotent insserv: FATAL: service earlysyslog has to exists for service earlyxdm insserv: FATAL: service dbus has to exists for service earlyxdm insserv: exiting now! postuninstall script of preload-1.2-2.x86_64.rpm failed

Any ideas what changed recently to cause this problem and what it might mean?

It's a part in %post of preload.spec,

%{fillup_and_insserv -ny preload earlyxdm}

Since earlyxdm init script requires other services but these aren't installed in the build, insserv spews errors. Try to put the missing services in the spec file like

Requires: syslogd dbus

Ok, but why has it suddenly started failing now and it wasn't before for 11.3 and Factory? Also, the openSUSE:11.4 version fails in the same way, which makes me wonder how that package ever got built in that repo. Something odd is going on here... Hm, it's failing for much this same way in Kernel:stable as well, so something must have changed that I didn't notice. I'll try this later today and see what happens. thanks, greg k-h -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org