Well, SUSE Studio is nice solution for this problem: select any repositories and software you want. Just one problem, there is no Leap 42.2 yet. And as for Tumbleweed there is no sense for different ISO's. Tumbleweed updates several times a week, so NetInstall is only viable option for that. IMHO. Anyway it wants a lot of traffic. пʼятниця, 21 квітня 2017 р. 17:49:09 EEST Daniel Morris написано:

On Fri, Apr 21, 2017 at 06:31:46PM +0430, Farhad Mohammadi Majd wrote:

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users. Most users usually installs only one DE.

That's not strictly true. I use Plasma as my DE but I also some GNOME applications, such as gnumeric and gimp. Conversely I expect many other DE users may enjoy KDE apps, such as digikam etc. Some of those choices may come from legacy & interoperability cases, other times it could just be the great features, eg konsole is a superb terminal emulator.

I don't wish to denigrate the genuine issues of lack/cost of bandwidth, but pigeon-holing users into a single DE ISO for the mainstream download may remove a lot of the flexibility currently offered.

Perhaps a dedicated OBS project with a subset of software would be a better solution for a <DVD >CDROM size release?

Daniel

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On 04/22/2017 10:22 AM, Larry Stotler wrote:

On Fri, Apr 21, 2017 at 10:49 AM, Daniel Morris wrote:

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That's not strictly true. I use Plasma as my DE but I also some GNOME applications, such as gnumeric and gimp. Conversely I expect many other DE users may enjoy KDE apps, such as digikam etc. Some of those choices may come from legacy & interoperability cases, other times it could just be the great features, eg konsole is a superb terminal emulator.

I don't wish to denigrate the genuine issues of lack/cost of bandwidth, but pigeon-holing users into a single DE ISO for the mainstream download may remove a lot of the flexibility currently offered.

Perhaps a dedicated OBS project with a subset of software would be a better solution for a <DVD >CDROM size release?

This is the exact problem that SUSE Studio was created to fix. You can build the ISO file with what you need/want and the it automagically pull in the dependencies. Then, if you want, you can remove some things you don't want(i.e. I taboo stuff like tracker, avahi, etc because I see no value in it. It may "break" some things, but it will work).

If you haven't tried SUSE Studio, then I highly recommend it. About the only real limitation I ever saw was it's only x86-32 or x86-64 and doesn't support other archs(least it didn't last time I used it).

susestudio.com

That would be nice if it was being maintained well, but at the moment it isn't last time I checked there wasn't a 42.2 templates available, if you mess around for long enough you can get there but at the moment SUSE Studio isn't fixing this for most users. -- Simon Lees (Simotek) http://simotek.net Emergency Update Team keybase.io/simotek SUSE Linux Adelaide Australia, UTC+10:30 GPG Fingerprint: 5B87 DB9D 88DC F606 E489 CEC5 0922 C246 02F0 014B

2017.04.22 06:44, Larry Stotler rašė:

Hmmmm.....I hadn't logged in for a good while. It's only showing 42.1 and 4 versions of SUSE Linux Enterprise.....

Hi, Template for 42.1 can be used fine to build 42.2. There is SUSE Studio appliances, that based on 42.1 template, but contains 42.2 repositories (you need to change repositories manually): https://susestudio.com/a/CttYWz/lietukas-42-2-multilingual https://susestudio.com/a/WeLBs4/ssbox-sak-42-2 https://susestudio.com/a/VU5ypu/opensuse-leap-42-2-kde https://susestudio.com/a/gstyhp/newt-os-lts https://susestudio.com/a/VU5ypu/opensuse-leap-42-2-kde3-live https://susestudio.com/a/OO38wm/geckolinux-cinnamon etc... You can search also https://susestudio.com/search?order=relevance&per_page=50&q=42.2 -- Regards -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Am 22.04.2017 um 02:52 schrieb Larry Stotler:

This is the exact problem that SUSE Studio was created to fix.

Unfortunately, susestudio.com feels like abandonware. -- Stefan Seyfried "For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for nature cannot be fooled." -- Richard Feynman -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On 21/04/17 06:32 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

However, from personal experience, when I had low bandwidth (1Mbps) I preferred to use this install method. Why? Because I could download the DVD slowly, even if it took a week, then install a lot of software in several computers without using Internet at all during the install.

There used to be "boxed" version of openSUSE. I know because the very first version I had was in this format. it came with the --at that time CDs set, printed installation instructions and other documentation. Is that format still available? I've also seen other services that will burn and ship a distribution DVD for you. Do the still exist? It would certainly be an alternative to downloading, even over a low bandwidth link. A greater latency perhaps. Mind you. even the long time leap-Updates repository takes to sync on my cable links, I wonder about how those with a lesser bandwidth deal with updates. -- Wisdom is earned through bitter experience. Idiocy comes easily. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On 22/04/17 07:38 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

But with a cap you are doomed.

I conversed with someone having to download updates in a library, then take the disk to home far away.

That is one possibility. Another might be that someone volunteers. The problem with volunteering is that the volunteer might get swamped with requests and some of those requests might come from people who are network-capable but too lazy to download and burn a DVD themselves. *sigh* -- Wisdom is earned through bitter experience. Idiocy comes easily. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Anton Aylward composed on 2017-04-22 07:10 (UTC-0400):

I've also seen other services that will burn and ship a distribution DVD for you. Do the still exist?

You must not see distrowatch.com very often: http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=opensuse in the upper right has one such service, osdisc.com, but it's hardly the only one. See also Amazon hosting LinuxDiscOnline. Another: https://www.shoplinuxonline.com/ -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On Mon, 2017-04-24 at 08:40 +0200, Tomas Cech wrote:

Hi Farhad,

as other people already said, you can use susestudio.com to make your own ISO. As susestudio seems to be slowly dying, you still can use OBS and kiwi to build ISOs by yourself. If you feel that it will be helpful for others, go ahead, do it and tell others about that.

You have the tools, you have an idea and you have the time. If you need help, ask for it.

When it's done we can have a look on download numbers (right?) and see if there is interest in such thing.

My opinion on this is, that other solution which will help you cache data locally is the right way, especially if you are able to share it among more users.

Good luck.

S_W

SUSE studio, OBS and local data cache are not a good solution, they are complex and takes time to learn and build, I don't want the ISO image only for myself, I am thinking to many users that have my situation and currently openSUSE does not provide a good and easy way to them for installing openSUSE. This causes they choose another distros which most of them have provides such image. I don't want anymore ISO image for all/most DE, just KDE. *Is it really so hard for you?!* Fedora, Debian and Ubuntu provides a Live ISO image in size 1.3GB for GNOME/KDE and totally their default DE, I completely sure such option, an *official* ISO image with that size can attract many users to openSUSE. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org