[opensuse-factory] Timetable information for Leap 15.1
The entry for 'openSUSE' in the Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenSUSE) has, in the past, contained the expected release date of any new release of openSUSE. However, there is no such information for Leap 15.1. Nor can I find this info. in the openSUSE's Wiki pages (am I looking in the wrong places?) Any plans to update the Wikipedia entry to show info. for Leap 15.1? BC -- God created war so that Americans can learn geography. Mark Twain -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
The entry for 'openSUSE' in the Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenSUSE) has, in the past, contained the expected release date of any new release of openSUSE.
I am surprised to hear an encyclopedic article about a (community) product goes into such detail. With my occasional-wikipedia-writer hat on, I don't think it should.
However, there is no such information for Leap 15.1. Nor can I find this info. in the openSUSE's Wiki pages (am I looking in the wrong places?)
https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Roadmap has a section "Upcoming openSUSE Leap Release".
Any plans to update the Wikipedia entry to show info. for Leap 15.1?
I'd think keeping our own wiki up to date should be of higher priority than directly influencing how external sites write about us. Wikipedia article writers, bloggers etc. should be able to turn to our wiki for information, not the other way around. If we do decide to prioritise external dissemination of information we should close our wiki from the public eyes, i.e. require a login for viewing any other than the main page. The landing page after login should explain why the wiki is closed, where to find up to date information and why the wiki still exists. Joachim -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 15/11/2018 07.19, Joachim Wagner wrote:
The entry for 'openSUSE' in the Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenSUSE) has, in the past, contained the expected release date of any new release of openSUSE.
I am surprised to hear an encyclopedic article about a (community) product goes into such detail. With my occasional-wikipedia-writer hat on, I don't think it should.
The wikipedia is the first site I visit when seeking information about a distribution that I'm not familiar with. Mostly looking for information given by others, or to find information in a more familiar format and style. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.3 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar)
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 15/11/2018 13:01, Carlos E. R. wrote:
The wikipedia is the first site I visit when seeking information about a distribution that I'm not familiar with. Mostly looking for information given by others, or to find information in a more familiar format and style.
Exactly. If you want to know if something is any good, you do _not_ go and ask the people who make it. Of _course_ *they* are going to think their own handiwork is good! - -- Liam Proven - Technical Writer, SUSE Linux s.r.o. Corso II, Křižíkova 148/34, 186-00 Praha 8 - Karlín, Czechia Email: lproven@suse.com - Office telephone: +420 284 241 084 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAEBCAAdFiEEeNZxWlZYyNg7I0pvkm4MJhv0VBYFAlvtZZ0ACgkQkm4MJhv0 VBa/1Q/+NSClRYYaEigbXOfduM1KnQ6lAfnjl5WsaBYUk8uq8s6Xn25yyrHzLtva gS/HBoTIGC2kwXwOhGYMHBuzMREjXTTU3etJEtg2DkGohW7GjJn+hjIC1jPIND8u XSaijW/ebLaN/ba7R3B+t6uOJapui8wR8H9rBhaELJ5KnzOXOxM0BQtmgBpYa+4H +4gvhRYRIU3TKZ/o6RQIXUcDRCbGIR6yWrdaNBfP9CRNZ9MjbyEsnkYwtKTNWVfL dryKHphbyNjjDL4qTOscGNWyamFHcyVv3/8KxGvOELjmjz63TQvb/1I1QmVS+yuf hvfXCRa0Wgg4bbZsMDEY30xtPD0rVSySbtsqPNkNRmYJ2MsmZQ/LI7im5SY6Tcaz OqPOD8acl2ySdUcMZ6zZtrQxm9Jg1FdxmHCUjM4W0Dcqea3XDetOWjI/FWh/ZhXP lNqvqAHD2hqSosms4qNkInPsZX42hIF0my9jJvm8V5dSkjCFRRddEhClUARMOXIM VLsmwG62BAP2fBn+qsB+6731qmRvF/JKMhXL9fPFJV25nhmhs2ImzB0NPsJ/5VIz FhTsgDBTa1IiiXjWqfpH9NkI6JnabF8hM8elFEzcb82OhS4r/r1mcXO7ZWmEGMfX CgP5aflq1nor1cHEcl4K+WLjdjTHXS0sWARVWlJerDgJ5AI4uLE= =0vXk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
If you want to know if something is any good, you do _not_ go and ask the people who make it. Of _course_ *they* are going to think their own handiwork is good!
We are talking about timetable / roadmap information for the next release here, not about product quality. It is reasonable to expect to find most accurate information on the former from "the people who make it" . -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 15/11/18 5:19 pm, Joachim Wagner wrote:
The entry for 'openSUSE' in the Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenSUSE) has, in the past, contained the expected release date of any new release of openSUSE. I am surprised to hear an encyclopedic article about a (community) product goes into such detail. With my occasional-wikipedia-writer hat on, I don't think it should.
However, there is no such information for Leap 15.1. Nor can I find this info. in the openSUSE's Wiki pages (am I looking in the wrong places?) https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Roadmap has a section "Upcoming openSUSE Leap Release".
Any plans to update the Wikipedia entry to show info. for Leap 15.1? I'd think keeping our own wiki up to date should be of higher priority than directly influencing how external sites write about us. Wikipedia article writers, bloggers etc. should be able to turn to our wiki for information, not the other way around.
If we do decide to prioritise external dissemination of information we should close our wiki from the public eyes, i.e. require a login for viewing any other than the main page. The landing page after login should explain why the wiki is closed, where to find up to date information and why the wiki still exists.
Joachim
Why don't you go the whole hog and have a modified version of reCAPTCHA installed which will check to ensure that only Leap users are able to access the Wiki pages? And instead of showing cats or traffic lights or pedestrian crossings you could have pictures with/without a green chameleon in them. BC -- God created war so that Americans can learn geography. Mark Twain -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 18/11/2018 02:56, Basil Chupin wrote:
Why don't you go the whole hog and have a modified version of reCAPTCHA installed which will check to ensure that only Leap users are able to access the Wiki pages?
And instead of showing cats or traffic lights or pedestrian crossings you could have pictures with/without a green chameleon in them.
Heh. :-D Indeed. It's a competitive world. The people we need to persuade to use SUSE are those who do not currently use it, or who no longer use it. Not those who are already onboard. External info, coverage, discussion, and opinion are far more valuable. This is one of the fatal mistakes that Red Hat makes, IMHO. It considers itself to be everyone's upstream, has once of the worst cases of NIH Syndrome* I've ever encountered, and it doesn't care that its distros are substandard in multiple ways. It doesn't compare itself to anyone else. It doesn't care about anyone else. This mindset is one of the inspirations behind the Terry Pratchett character Casanunda: https://wiki.lspace.org/mediawiki/Giamo_Casanunda As he says, he is only the Discworld's _second_ greatest lover -- because that means he tries harder. :-D ----- * "Not Invented Here" Syndrome: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Not_invented_here -- Liam Proven - Technical Writer, SUSE Linux s.r.o. Corso II, Křižíkova 148/34, 186-00 Praha 8 - Karlín, Czechia Email: lproven@suse.com - Office telephone: +420 284 241 084 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Why don't you go the whole hog and have a modified version of reCAPTCHA installed which will check to ensure that only Leap users are able to access the Wiki pages? [...] Indeed. [...] External info, coverage, discussion, and opinion are far more valuable.
I don't quite get how this is against the suggestion to close the opensuse wiki from the public and focus on writing new content for external sites. (Re- reading my earlier e-mail, I see I didn't make it clear that the wiki would also be closed for editing by members / only be an archive but I thought that's clear from context. Also, it should be clear that the suggestion was not serious but intended to draw attention to the fact that there are a few wiki pages that need work.) Anyway, the energy that goes into this thread far exceeds what is needed to update some of the stale wiki pages. Some other pages are a bit more work and require expert knowledge. Imho, some pages should be moved into the manual and those wiki pages should just provide a summary and link to the manual and other external resources. I updated https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Roadmap yesterday. Joachim -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Hi, On 11/15/18 5:22 AM, Basil Chupin wrote:
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However, there is no such information for Leap 15.1. Nor can I find this info. in the openSUSE's Wiki pages (am I looking in the wrong places?)
You can track the development for Leap 15.1 at https://progress.opensuse.org/projects/leap_151/roadmap. I don't know how fix the mentioned dates are, but it should give you some idea nonetheless. Best, Alex
Cool. This will be useful to update https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Roadmap from time to time. Are the due dates for upcoming releases adjusted given the current delays, i.e. are we on track with Beta for February, or is it more like we are trying to catch up but those will probably also be delayed a small number of months? Joachim -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Basil Chupin schrieb:
The entry for 'openSUSE' in the Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenSUSE) has, in the past, contained the expected release date of any new release of openSUSE. However, there is no such information for Leap 15.1. Nor can I find this info. in the openSUSE's Wiki pages (am I looking in the wrong places?)
Writing an official announcement is still on my todo list. cu Ludwig -- (o_ Ludwig Nussel //\ V_/_ http://www.suse.com/ SUSE Linux GmbH, GF: Felix Imendörffer, Jane Smithard, Graham Norton, HRB 21284 (AG Nürnberg) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 15/11/18 7:51 pm, Ludwig Nussel wrote:
Basil Chupin schrieb:
The entry for 'openSUSE' in the Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenSUSE) has, in the past, contained the expected release date of any new release of openSUSE. However, there is no such information for Leap 15.1. Nor can I find this info. in the openSUSE's Wiki pages (am I looking in the wrong places?)
Writing an official announcement is still on my todo list.
cu Ludwig
Thank you, and Alexander, for responding. Ludwig, I wasn't seeking a definite date for the release, just a ball-park date -- the kind that is now shown in the Wikipedia entry I mentioned :-). BC -- God created war so that Americans can learn geography. Mark Twain -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
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