Jan Engelhardt wrote:

The only difference is that, IIRC, unlike Windows, we enable antialiasing below 15pt as well and thus ignore the embedded bitmaps. That is a subjective choice, and I happen to support it.

It's also a per-font-dependent choice based on whether or not the font has good embedded bitmaps. I've seen similar comments about some fonts having not-so-great interpreter code for non-bitmap fonts. It might be useful to start collecting feedback about what fonts look good at what resolutions using what display method. Given enough data, better autoconfiguration could be built (possibly based on the users DPI, and individual preferences. Even a font-tuning facility like the clear-type tuning facility would go a long way toward users being able to enter "preferences" for specific fonts -- that, *hopefully*, could be uploaded back to suse for generic-overall processing to feed into defaults for those who don't run those, or for new font choices?... maybe pie-in-the-sky, but data collection for such -- even if only used locally seems like an important first step.

Experiment what you like best.

That's hard when you can't see them side-by-side or in an a-b comparison (a flip -- is this better, or (flip), is this better)? That said, is there a way to display a text popup window where you can also specific alternate rendering methods from the system defaults? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On Mon, May 06, 2013 at 06:17:30PM +0200, Jan Engelhardt wrote:

Edit ~/.config/fontconfig/fonts.conf (12.3) or ~/.fonts.conf (older) and specify that your own preference for sans-serif. The logic you should be able to inferfrom 58-.conf

<fontconfig> <alias> <family>serif</family> <prefer> <family>Not-Times</family> </prefer> </alias> </fontconfig>

Or /etc/fonts/local.conf should work for system wide configuration. But there <accept> instead of <prefer> would be better (to let a possibility to users to override this alias). Petr

On Tue, May 07, 2013 at 10:45:45AM +0100, Richard Brown wrote:

I would certainly like to see us stop making the MSFT TTF Fonts automatic become the default when they're installed

It's a real bug bear of mine in the GNOME DE in particular where the MSFT fonts produce a really inconsistent look and feel

Please file a bug report so I can look at it. Petr

With the current settings in /usr/share/fontconfig/conf.avail/58-suse-post-user.conf users can change their fonts using one of there per-user files. ~/.config/fontconfig/fonts.conf ~/.config/fontconfig/conf.avail/*.conf I did this for some days. But now I changed 58-suse-post-user.conf instead to get non-MS-fonts system-wide. But my email wasn't about my system. What I wanted to ask was, if other font's then the MS-fonts (maybe the DejaVu ones) should become default in general for openSUSE. As said the MS fonts don't look so nice sometimes and I don't think openSUSE has to rely on MS stuff in case of fonts. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Quoting Graham Anderson :

On Monday 06 May 2013 15:18:33 colAflash@gmx.net wrote:

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2. "Arial", "Times New Roman" and "Consolas" perform bad. For example Consolas doesn't gives me the dots above the german "Ö" when using sizes smaller then 10pt.

Aye, in addition to flaws with common european characters, Consolas is *very* heavily hinted, this makes it quite horrible sometimes using some of the default options available with the freetype version we ship, needs a patched freetype to look decent but it still displays line height poorly.

For this reason I switched to Adobe Source Sans Pro:

http://sourceforge.net/projects/sourcesans.adobe/files/

I'd be more than happy to see this as the default monospace ;)

I actually agree.. I switched to the Adobe font as well for this. Looks very clean in my opinion. In case you did not see it yet, this is packaged for openSUSE for a while already (rather close to when Adobe announced them first) In openSUSE 12.2: SourceSansPro-fonts Later: adobe-sourcesanspro-fonts Enjoy :) Dominique -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On Tue, 7 May 2013 17:13, Dominique Leuenberger a.k.a. Dimstar...:

Quoting Graham Anderson :

...

On Monday 06 May 2013 15:18:33 colAflash@gmx.net wrote:

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2. "Arial", "Times New Roman" and "Consolas" perform bad. For example Consolas doesn't gives me the dots above the german "Ö" when using sizes smaller then 10pt.

Aye, in addition to flaws with common european characters, Consolas is *very* heavily hinted, this makes it quite horrible sometimes using some of the default options available with the freetype version we ship, needs a patched freetype to look decent but it still displays line height poorly.

For this reason I switched to Adobe Source Sans Pro:

As sad as it is, even "Droid Sans Mono" is better than "Consolas" "Consolas" without "ClearType"(MS)-hinter is no good at all. "Droid Sans Mono" is part of the google-droid-fonts package. For most apps I use "DejaVu Sans" for sans, "Linux Libertine" for serif, and "Droid Sans Mono" for monotype, but that is my personal preference. - Yamaban.