On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 06:02, Bernhard M. Wiedemann wrote:

Currently, only the LiveCDs are hybrid  (check with fdisk -l openSUSE-DVD-Build0625-x86_64.iso ). For DVD and NET isos you would still have to use the old way, which (in spite of the wiki saying so) is not all obsolete: http//en.opensuse.org/SuSE_install_from_USB_drive

This procedure on the Wiki is needlessly complicated. DVDs are a dead technology for more and more people these days. DVDs are going the way of floppy disks. I think it's very short sighted and rather silly that we are not fully supporting writing the DVD ISO to USB. Anyway... the easy/quick way is to use unetbootin. It's an app in the repos... runs on Linux, Windows etc. You can create a bootable USB stick with this app in no time at all. All you need is the ISO and a USB stick. it's a billion times easier than that complicated procedure on the Wiki. You don't need to use the LiveCDs with unetbootin.. you can use the DVD ISO. Matt B. was working on the Kiwi-tools-imagewriter - which makes writing hybrid ISOs to USB dead easy by the way. I don't know what happened with that... I haven't had time to follow up on it to see if it was ever adapted to write the DVD ISO. I use the unetbootin app all the time. The DVD on USB boots up fine. At some point in the boot sequence you are dropped out of the nice GUI installer to the text based installer. The installer asks you what the boot device is and the root... tell it that you're installing from hard drive and / for the root and it switches back to the GUI installer and continues as normal. C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 23:39, Hans Witvliet wrote:

Hm, well comparing what is on the dvd and on the online installation tree, there is some discrapancy. So either one should start distributing the distro on a blu-ray (holds 50G) or ship the box with an USB-stick.

But somehome i've got the distinct feeling that Dl-DD dvd are a bit cheaper than same-size usb-stick. Could be wrong tho...

Dual layer DVDs might be cheaper than USB stick, but if you have computers (latops/netbooks etc.) like I do, with no DVD drive at all.... you can't burn the DVD ISO to DVD.... and even if I did have the installer on DVD, I can't use it since I don't have a DVD drive installed in the computer... USB is the only installation medium choice I have (yes I know I can do a net install, but I'm not always guaranteed a net connection during the install process... yes I know I could also go buy an external DVD drive). Caveat, I do have a DVD burner on one computer... but I haven't used it in a long long time, and don't have DVD banks to burn to anyway. My case might be a bit lopsided but... I'm seeing it more and more with machines I support.... these non-DVD machines are starting to pop up more and more... and when I'm asked to do an install, USB is often the only practical choice. I still don't see a good reason why the DVD ISO isn't a hybrid that can easily be dropped onto USB like the Live CDs can be. Maybe there is one... dunno. C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

On Sun, May 30, 2010 at 13:08, jdd wrote:

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I still don't see a good reason why the DVD ISO isn't a hybrid that can easily be dropped onto USB like the Live CDs can be.  Maybe there is one... dunno.

hybrid should be a very good system

That's my point :-) and the same point I raised back in February on this ML. We already produce hybrid LiveCD ISOs... why not hybrid DVD ISOs as well? Either way I can still make my DVD USB sticks using unetbootin... it's just thet the installer breaks down during the initial part of theinstall and drops to text mode where you have to tell it to install from hard drive... it's workable, but messy. C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

On Sun, 2010-05-30 at 12:54 +0200, C wrote:

On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 23:39, Hans Witvliet wrote:

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Hm, well comparing what is on the dvd and on the online installation tree, there is some discrapancy. So either one should start distributing the distro on a blu-ray (holds 50G) or ship the box with an USB-stick.

But somehome i've got the distinct feeling that Dl-DD dvd are a bit cheaper than same-size usb-stick. Could be wrong tho...

Dual layer DVDs might be cheaper than USB stick, but if you have computers (latops/netbooks etc.) like I do, with no DVD drive at all.... you can't burn the DVD ISO to DVD.... and even if I did have the installer on DVD, I can't use it since I don't have a DVD drive installed in the computer... USB is the only installation medium choice I have (yes I know I can do a net install, but I'm not always guaranteed a net connection during the install process... yes I know I could also go buy an external DVD drive).

Caveat, I do have a DVD burner on one computer... but I haven't used it in a long long time, and don't have DVD banks to burn to anyway.

My case might be a bit lopsided but... I'm seeing it more and more with machines I support.... these non-DVD machines are starting to pop up more and more... and when I'm asked to do an install, USB is often the only practical choice.

I still don't see a good reason why the DVD ISO isn't a hybrid that can easily be dropped onto USB like the Live CDs can be. Maybe there is one... dunno.

C.

If it poses no big problem (read: much extra work) i've nothing against a hybrid install-dvd. Though systems that can not boot from dvd, often work with a slow-speed version of the USB-spec, and a bootable cdrom (netboot) is probably a better choise... It would be fun if a live version could hold a local tftp/pxe installer. And if smaug is correct in empty BD costing just $2, i'll have to go shopping again: last time i checked they were over 15 euro's a piece, and only _if_ available. 25G (or 50GB DL) is a lot of space for either distro smapshot's or backups... hw -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

On Sun, 2010-05-30 at 16:03 -0400, Dale Ritchey wrote:

On 05/30/2010 08:11 AM, Hans Witvliet wrote:

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On Sun, 2010-05-30 at 12:54 +0200, C wrote:

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On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 23:39, Hans Witvliet wrote:

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Hm, well comparing what is on the dvd and on the online installation tree, there is some discrapancy. So either one should start distributing the distro on a blu-ray (holds 50G) or ship the box with an USB-stick.

But somehome i've got the distinct feeling that Dl-DD dvd are a bit cheaper than same-size usb-stick. Could be wrong tho...

Dual layer DVDs might be cheaper than USB stick, but if you have computers (latops/netbooks etc.) like I do, with no DVD drive at all.... you can't burn the DVD ISO to DVD.... and even if I did have the installer on DVD, I can't use it since I don't have a DVD drive installed in the computer... USB is the only installation medium choice I have (yes I know I can do a net install, but I'm not always guaranteed a net connection during the install process... yes I know I could also go buy an external DVD drive).

Caveat, I do have a DVD burner on one computer... but I haven't used it in a long long time, and don't have DVD banks to burn to anyway.

My case might be a bit lopsided but... I'm seeing it more and more with machines I support.... these non-DVD machines are starting to pop up more and more... and when I'm asked to do an install, USB is often the only practical choice.

I still don't see a good reason why the DVD ISO isn't a hybrid that can easily be dropped onto USB like the Live CDs can be. Maybe there is one... dunno.

C.

If it poses no big problem (read: much extra work) i've nothing against a hybrid install-dvd. Though systems that can not boot from dvd, often work with a slow-speed version of the USB-spec, and a bootable cdrom (netboot) is probably a better choise...

It would be fun if a live version could hold a local tftp/pxe installer.

And if smaug is correct in empty BD costing just $2, i'll have to go shopping again: last time i checked they were over 15 euro's a piece, and only _if_ available. 25G (or 50GB DL) is a lot of space for either distro smapshot's or backups...

hw

I have tried isohybrid on a net.iso with success a dvd isohybrid balks untill I enable (f4) installation source and enable hard disk I get as far as the installer screen checks the update possibilities then I get no repositories found

How do I point to the repositoriy on the disk?

I presume specifying at the grub line, something like: install=cdrom://xyz (just like it gets during normal installation from dvd) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 10:58, Stephan Kulow wrote:

You can install syslinux and call isohybrid *.iso - then you can boot them from usb too. Kiwi has no support to generate hybrid install media yet ;(

If it's a simple step like this appears to be (I haven't tested this myself yet), why aren't the DVD ISOs simply like this by default? Why aren't we providing a DVD or.. Complete ISO that can be written to DVD _AND_ USB right from the downloaded image? Does creating a DVD hybrid put the DVD ISO size over some predefined size limit? Does creating a DVD hybrid add so much to the build process that it cannot be done? What is the reasoning behind not providing a DVD ISO that can be written to USB without extra steps on the user side? C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

On 05/27/2010 02:34 AM, Stefan Seyfried pecked at the keyboard and wrote:

On Wed, 26 May 2010 16:33:58 -0400 Robert Schweikert wrote:

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Hi,

Are all the ISO images for M7 hybrid images?

You can run isohybrid on any recent (< 1 year?) openSUSE CD/DVD image to make it a hybrid image. Worked for me the last few times I tried it over the last year. (The older ones did not always recognise the ISO on the USB stick as an installation source, so you could only use them to install from the network IIRC)

zypper se hybrid Loading repository data... Reading installed packages... No packages found. webpin isohybrid No results found for "isohybrid" in openSUSE_112 Is this some fictional software? If not please provide where it can be found. -- Ken Schneider SuSe since Version 5.2, June 1998 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Am Donnerstag 27 Mai 2010 schrieb Robert Schweikert:

On 05/27/2010 08:29 AM, Ken Schneider - openSUSE wrote:

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On 05/27/2010 02:34 AM, Stefan Seyfried pecked at the keyboard and wrote:

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On Wed, 26 May 2010 16:33:58 -0400

Robert Schweikert wrote:

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Hi,

Are all the ISO images for M7 hybrid images?

You can run isohybrid on any recent (< 1 year?) openSUSE CD/DVD image to make it a hybrid image. Worked for me the last few times I tried it over the last year. (The older ones did not always recognise the ISO on the USB stick as an installation source, so you could only use them to install from the network IIRC)

zypper se hybrid Loading repository data... Reading installed packages... No packages found.

webpin isohybrid No results found for "isohybrid" in openSUSE_112

Is this some fictional software? If not please provide where it can be found.

/usr/bin/isohybrid

Found in syslinux-3.82-8.9.2.x86_64, I have it installed, just didn't know it was there. Testing....

... which sounds like webpin is broken. Greetings, Stephan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org