[opensuse-factory] Zypper vs Yum: Lacking Features discussion
Hi All, I would like to discuss a bit about zypper and yum, and perhaps, open feature-requests. Yum is old Red Hat's technology while zypper is new SUSE's thing :) More seriously: -I have heard that yum has ability to show the package changelog diff for pacakges to be updated, while zypper lacks it -yum shows the repository from which the package will be installed. (Very useful if you have many repos with duplicate packages.) What do you think ? Are those small annoyances touch you ? -- -Alexey Eromenko "Technologov" --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Dňa Thursday 28 August 2008 15:30:56 Alexey Eremenko ste napísal:
Hi All,
I would like to discuss a bit about zypper and yum, and perhaps, open feature-requests.
Yum is old Red Hat's technology while zypper is new SUSE's thing :)
More seriously: -I have heard that yum has ability to show the package changelog diff for pacakges to be updated, while zypper lacks it
This functionality is missing indeed.
-yum shows the repository from which the package will be installed. (Very useful if you have many repos with duplicate packages.)
'zypper -v in', eventually, 'zypper -vv in' should do the trick for this. Stano --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
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More seriously: -I have heard that yum has ability to show the package changelog diff for pacakges to be updated, while zypper lacks it -yum shows the repository from which the package will be installed. (Very useful if you have many repos with duplicate packages.)
Other thing is that yum will not abort on impossibility to download a package. Basically, on a flaky network connection, doing "yum -y update; yum -y update; yum -y update" will succeed because the packages are first all downloaded and when impossible to do so, next one is downloaded. This is something that facilitates nightly unattended upgrades. Cheers Fridrich -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAki3rB8ACgkQu9a1imXPdA+i/QCeM/Wdts89EKqpx8wNKcB00yes t58An3/Rxdjw1zlWPVZdq4pOpuqTUhef =+dIY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Other thing is that yum will not abort on impossibility to download a package. Basically, on a flaky network connection, doing "yum -y update; yum -y update; yum -y update" will succeed because the packages are first all downloaded and when impossible to do so, next one is downloaded. This is something that facilitates nightly unattended upgrades.
All right, so far so good. We need to discuss those deficiencies of zypper compared to yum, Then we may create wiki page, and open bug reports/feature-requests. -- -Alexey Eromenko "Technologov" --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Fridrich Strba wrote:
Alexey Eremenko wrote:
More seriously: -I have heard that yum has ability to show the package changelog diff for pacakges to be updated, while zypper lacks it -yum shows the repository from which the package will be installed. (Very useful if you have many repos with duplicate packages.)
Other thing is that yum will not abort on impossibility to download a package. Basically, on a flaky network connection, doing "yum -y update; yum -y update; yum -y update" will succeed because the packages are first all downloaded and when impossible to do so, next one is downloaded. This is something that facilitates nightly unattended upgrades.
Cheers
Fridrich
If you try zypper in 11.0 it if happen soft error (like temporary denial service), it try after 60 seconds again and have 3 attempts and then fail. So if problem is temporary, then you update during night. Josef --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Alexey Eremenko wrote:
More seriously: -I have heard that yum has ability to show the package changelog diff for pacakges to be updated, while zypper lacks it
We actually ignore changelogs in metadata as they are expensive information. However there is no technical reason to not implement it.
-yum shows the repository from which the package will be installed. (Very useful if you have many repos with duplicate packages.)
True. This should be an easy one. Duncan --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
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Stanislav Visnovsky