On Friday, October 26, 2018 9:01:28 PM EDT hellcp@opensuse.org wrote:

Hi,

Originally suggested 3 or so years ago by Richard Brown on this list, and rejected with huge backlash (but who am I to ignore controversial topics).

Default fonts are a part of distribution's identity and to some degree help to show off beauty of the desktop. Our website branding is based on those in particular, so it would be nice to follow that up with desktop part.

I have been using Source Sans Pro for a long time on the desktop, and Source Code Pro in terminal. They work very well in those usecases, even though I'm using smaller than usual font size in both scenarios (I am not using serif fonts enough to judge that part, it just never comes up).

I would love to see Gnome desktop also following that trend, as it's using Cantarell, despite YaST-Fonts and other default font utilities.

Also I am already sorry to openQA guys, I just cannot stop suggesting changes that break tests :/

Speaking of controversial and fonts, how about default subpixel rendering set on lcddefault and slight hinting? There are some pretty cool examples from freetype folks about that stuff [1, 2]. I would love to see cleaner and better looking fonts in openSUSE ;)

LCP [Stasiek] https://lcp.world

[1] https://freetype.org/freetype2/docs/subpixel-hinting.html [2] https://freetype.org/freetype2/docs/text-rendering-general.html#the-default-> lcd-filter-for-subpixel-rendering-has-been-changed

Do you also think other DEs like KDE Plasma and Xfce should be changed to use Source * Pro fonts? I think we should use our branding fonts in the installer, but I'm not sure how I feel about changing the default fonts of DEs.

On Sat, Oct 27, 2018 at 8:08 AM, Noah Davis wrote:

On Friday, October 26, 2018 9:01:28 PM EDT hellcp@opensuse.org wrote:

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Hi,

Originally suggested 3 or so years ago by Richard Brown on this list, and rejected with huge backlash (but who am I to ignore controversial topics).

Default fonts are a part of distribution's identity and to some degree help to show off beauty of the desktop. Our website branding is based on those in particular, so it would be nice to follow that up with desktop part.

I have been using Source Sans Pro for a long time on the desktop, and Source Code Pro in terminal. They work very well in those usecases, even though I'm using smaller than usual font size in both scenarios (I am not using serif fonts enough to judge that part, it just never comes up).

I would love to see Gnome desktop also following that trend, as it's using Cantarell, despite YaST-Fonts and other default font utilities.

Also I am already sorry to openQA guys, I just cannot stop suggesting changes that break tests :/

Speaking of controversial and fonts, how about default subpixel rendering set on lcddefault and slight hinting? There are some pretty cool examples from freetype folks about that stuff [1, 2]. I would love to see cleaner and better looking fonts in openSUSE ;)

LCP [Stasiek] https://lcp.world

[1] https://freetype.org/freetype2/docs/subpixel-hinting.html [2]

https://freetype.org/freetype2/docs/text-rendering-general.html#the-default-> lcd-filter-for-subpixel-rendering-has-been-changed

Do you also think other DEs like KDE Plasma and Xfce should be changed to use Source * Pro fonts? I think we should use our branding fonts in the installer, but I'm not sure how I feel about changing the default fonts of DEs.

Yes, I believe so, I don't see major drawbacks of that. LCP [Stasiek] https://lcp.world -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On Saturday, October 27, 2018 11:20:17 AM EDT hellcp@opensuse.org wrote:

On Sat, Oct 27, 2018 at 8:08 AM, Noah Davis wrote:

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Do you also think other DEs like KDE Plasma and Xfce should be changed to use Source * Pro fonts? I think we should use our branding fonts in the installer, but I'm not sure how I feel about changing the default fonts of DEs.

Yes, I believe so, I don't see major drawbacks of that.

LCP [Stasiek] https://lcp.world

I don't like how Source Sans Pro has significantly different letter spacing than Source Serif Pro. With KDE Plasma's default font family (Noto), the serif and sans-serif styles have almost the same size and spacing. It's not stylish like Ubuntu's default font, but it's easy on the eyes and has great language support.

On Sat, Oct 27, 2018 at 05:20:17PM +0200, hellcp@opensuse.org wrote:

On Sat, Oct 27, 2018 at 8:08 AM, Noah Davis wrote:

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Do you also think other DEs like KDE Plasma and Xfce should be changed to use Source * Pro fonts? I think we should use our branding fonts in the installer, but I'm not sure how I feel about changing the default fonts of DEs.

Yes, I believe so, I don't see major drawbacks of that.

I do. While I like Source Code Pro as such, I have a big problem with it: once I switch konsole to use it, it stops showing bold (e.g. for file headers in "git diff"). It's a paradox as this font has more weight variants than others (or perhaps that is the problem?). Michal Kubecek -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On Tuesday 2018-10-30 15:58, Michal Kubecek wrote:

On Sat, Oct 27, 2018 at 05:20:17PM +0200, hellcp@opensuse.org wrote:

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On Sat, Oct 27, 2018 at 8:08 AM, Noah Davis wrote:

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Do you also think other DEs like KDE Plasma and Xfce should be changed to use Source * Pro fonts? I think we should use our branding fonts in the installer, but I'm not sure how I feel about changing the default fonts of DEs.

Yes, I believe so, I don't see major drawbacks of that.

I do. While I like Source Code Pro as such, I have a big problem with it: once I switch konsole to use it, it stops showing bold (e.g. for file headers in "git diff"). It's a paradox as this font has more weight variants than others (or perhaps that is the problem?).

More paradoxical is that, if konsole for one reason or another thinks there is no "bold", that it does not even synthesize a bold like xterm normally would. That, of course, all assuming that the "show bold as color" option is off. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On Wed, 31 Oct 2018 12:55:37 +0000, Cameron Seader wrote:

On 10/28/18 7:29 AM, Noah Davis wrote:

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On Saturday, October 27, 2018 11:20:17 AM EDT hellcp@opensuse.org wrote:

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On Sat, Oct 27, 2018 at 8:08 AM, Noah Davis wrote: [...]

Yes, I believe so, I don't see major drawbacks of that.

LCP [Stasiek] https://lcp.world

I don't like how Source Sans Pro has significantly different letter spacing than Source Serif Pro. With KDE Plasma's default font family (Noto), the serif and sans-serif styles have almost the same size and spacing. It's not stylish like Ubuntu's default font, but it's easy on the eyes and has great language support.

I've used Roboto for a few months now and love that font for KDE Plasma

Roboto Mono is a beautiful font, but is (still) has issues: • The width of the mono font is not consistent for Normal, Italic, Bold and Bold Italic • Some diacriticals show wrong in 12pt and below. Compare ã with ā. This alone is for me reason enough to not use it.

Here is my font layout.

General: Roboto 10 Regular Fixed Width: Hack 8 Small: Roboto 8 Regular Toolbar: Roboto 10 Regular Menu: Roboto 10 Regular Window Title: Roboto 10 Medium

Anti-Aliasing Enabled Sub-pixel rendering type: RGB Hinting Style: Medium Force fonts DPI: 96

Konsole Font: Hack 10 - Breeze Appearance with a few slight changes in the Red colors.

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