On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 06:57:13PM +0400, Andrey Borzenkov wrote:
No, you are wrong here. Typical user does not even
know how to start
command line, and of course is not aware of "zypper" or how to
understand "zypper ps" output. Subscribers to -devel lists are in no
way typical users.
It may be true but it doesn't change anything. Whether you use zypper,
YaST module or some other graphic tool, this can work the same.
So for a desktop targeted at typical user offline
update is the least
As I explained, it's not. Offline update is never less annoying or less
intrusive and quite often it is more annoying and more intrusive.
Let's face it - there are no resources to
error-free online updates under any combination of installed software
and its configuration.
By the same logic we would have to stop trying to release a distribution
as it never can be guaranteed to be error-free. And, of course, an
offline update can never be guaranteed to be error-free either.
And desktop users did reboot to install updates for
quite some time,
so there is nothing new here.
Windows users have been but this is their problem and problem of MS.
I definitely don't want to throw away advantages of linux systems just
because windows users are used to not having them.
But again - 24x7 is *NOT* something that can be
single system. Period. If you *really* need 24x7 you have to build high
available system where applications can be moved over to allow
maintenance work on a node. At which point there is no practical
argument against offline updates.
No idea why are you bringing this here. I wasn't talking about 24x7 or
high availability. Just about desktop users using the feature of having
more than one session open and switching between them - which is a
standard feature we offer and provide a comfortable user interface for.
And with memory prices being what they are, this scenario is likely to
get more and more common.
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