-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Alberto Passalacqua schreef:

Il giorno sab, 03/03/2007 alle 12.07 -0700, Boyd Lynn Gerber ha scritto:

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Hello,

With all the great discussion on the topic, We need to get it going. I like the IRC, but really think a summeray is needed on the email list to keep consistency across time zone.

Yes of course. I called this "planning" ;-)

Can anybody mail the #channel? (when decided) I have to attend the family affairs now.... About timezone: over here it is: 20:55.. - -- Have a nice day, M9. Now, is the only time that exists. OS: Linux 2.6.18.2-34-default x86_64 Huidige gebruiker: monkey9@tribal-sfn2 Systeem: openSUSE 10.2 (X86-64) KDE: 3.5.5 "release 45.2" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFF6dLpX5/X5X6LpDgRAsgJAKCHSKik42NUgbDNPtdy85rnogi7wgCgsyT8 j+1uO6CKyKDPQDbU3c5a4TM= =si3v -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

On Sunday 04 March 2007 08:56, Alberto Passalacqua wrote:

Il giorno dom, 04/03/2007 alle 13.18 +0000, Francis Giannaros ha

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Just a note that I don't necessarily think that the Bug triage day(s) should happen just yet -- I think the ideal time is just a couple or so months before release, where changes can still be made, but there's feature freeze etc. That would be the most productive time for it, I believe.

Yes! I agree on this. Doing them now is premature in my opinion because too many changes and features still have to be introduced.

Any day is good to start. Can we move a bit at least last 4 that are marked critical, please see my answer to Boyd. None seems to be really high priority and can be good for a warmup.

Regards, Alberto

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Il giorno mer, 07/03/2007 alle 13.50 -0700, Ted Bullock ha scritto:

Alberto Passalacqua wrote: I disagree with this,

I think that a bug review should be scheduled as soon as reasonable. While your statements about it being too early are true for the bugs listed against the 10.3 release, the bugs listed against the older releases should really be addressed as quickly as possible so that they stand a chance of making it into the 10.3 at all.

If you wait too long on this, they will skip yet another release cycle.

I think that the early alpha time frame is ideal to review bugs against the older releases otherwise fixing them might introduce too much churn to be included after a feature freeze.

Thoughts?

First we should understand if these bugs are suse-specific or are present in the upstream code. And, if so, we should verify if they have been already solved there. With kind regards, Alberto --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

On Wednesday 07 March 2007 20:50:52 you wrote:

Alberto Passalacqua wrote:

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Il giorno dom, 04/03/2007 alle 13.18 +0000, Francis Giannaros ha

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Just a note that I don't necessarily think that the Bug triage day(s) should happen just yet -- I think the ideal time is just a couple or so months before release, where changes can still be made, but there's feature freeze etc. That would be the most productive time for it, I believe.

Yes! I agree on this. Doing them now is premature in my opinion because too many changes and features still have to be introduced.

Regards, Alberto

I disagree with this,

I think that a bug review should be scheduled as soon as reasonable. While your statements about it being too early are true for the bugs listed against the 10.3 release, the bugs listed against the older releases should really be addressed as quickly as possible so that they stand a chance of making it into the 10.3 at all.

If you wait too long on this, they will skip yet another release cycle.

I think that the early alpha time frame is ideal to review bugs against the older releases otherwise fixing them might introduce too much churn to be included after a feature freeze.

Thoughts?

The point of course is to not way *too* long, so that changes can still be put into effect, but not too early, before the features and new packages are in. If that happens, then we'll start fixing/cleaning up places of bugs, but then a whole horde of other ones might be created before release. A couple of months before release time sounds good to me. Kind thoughts, -- Francis Giannaros Website: http://francis.giannaros.org IRC: apokryphos on irc.freenode.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

On Fri, 2007-03-09 at 13:13 +0100, Alberto Passalacqua wrote:

Il giorno gio, 08/03/2007 alle 12.20 +0000, Francis Giannaros ha scritto:

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A couple of months before release time sounds good to me.

I agree with Francis on this. If the release is on september, June-July should be OK, considering the off-work period of August 8-)

How about if we start going through the bugs for 10.1 and 10.2 (not all bugs need fixing in those versions but could be fixed in 10.3. Some of them would need fixing in those versions and we would leave them alone) prior to June/July and reassign/close/raise them as needed? We could do a session and involve someone from SUSE to make sure that we're doing the right thing (tm). If so, we need a list of bugs to start with (ie. any bug that has status open, needinfo, assigned, reopened and belongs to 10.1 and 10.2 AND have a resolution of later, remind and moved)

Regards, Alberto

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On Friday 09 March 2007 07:41, jdd wrote:

NO bug should stay for old version open if nobody works on it.

Old bugs should be noted:

The problem is that bugs are there and simply closing is not good option, as even very old ones are usually just carried over: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=189655 is still there and here is the mail thread http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2007-03/msg00513.html That is something in the kernel driver for that particular card and it is not fixed, obviously. BTW, is there any other activity, except this here. -- Regards, Rajko. http://en.opensuse.org/Portal --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Now is probably the latest time to run this bug day thing if it is going to have any sizable effect on 10.3. Alpha period is almost over (only two alpha releases left to make changes in). Suggessted Wiki Node for Bug Triage Day (http://en.opensuse.org/Bug:Triage_Day) I'd like to schedule this for next week/weekend -Ted Ted Bullock wrote:

Alberto Passalacqua wrote:

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Il giorno dom, 04/03/2007 alle 13.18 +0000, Francis Giannaros ha scritto:

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Just a note that I don't necessarily think that the Bug triage day(s) should happen just yet -- I think the ideal time is just a couple or so months before release, where changes can still be made, but there's feature freeze etc. That would be the most productive time for it, I believe. Yes! I agree on this. Doing them now is premature in my opinion because too many changes and features still have to be introduced.

Regards, Alberto

I disagree with this,

I think that a bug review should be scheduled as soon as reasonable. While your statements about it being too early are true for the bugs listed against the 10.3 release, the bugs listed against the older releases should really be addressed as quickly as possible so that they stand a chance of making it into the 10.3 at all.

If you wait too long on this, they will skip yet another release cycle.

I think that the early alpha time frame is ideal to review bugs against the older releases otherwise fixing them might introduce too much churn to be included after a feature freeze.

Thoughts?

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Il giorno ven, 01/06/2007 alle 07.34 -0600, Ted Bullock ha scritto:

Now is probably the latest time to run this bug day thing if it is going to have any sizable effect on 10.3.

We still are in alpha stage. I'd wait for the latest alpha first, and then plan it. With kind regards, A. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Den Sunday 03 June 2007 01:19:55 skrev Ted Bullock:

Why do you believe that waiting until later is a good idea?

AJ said he'd like a bugday sometime before feature freeze. So sometime between last alpha and first beta, seems a good idea. Having an earlier bugday too might be doable and would be good practice.

 This should not be just house cleaning for bugzilla, this should be a real drive to improve the quality of the release by fixing bugs that have persisted for ages.

That would mean the devs are aware of them and haven't been able to fix them for ages? Do you mean community people should be able to fix them in an afternoon? If not all we can do is provide info and perhaps alter status of some bugs.. house cleaning. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

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Martin Schlander wrote:

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That would mean the devs are aware of them and haven't been able to fix them for ages? Do you mean community people should be able to fix them in an afternoon? If not all we can do is provide info and perhaps alter status of some bugs.. house cleaning.

don't forget many open bugs are for previous distros. This should be cleaned up, because most of them wont ever be fixed. If the bug is still present in last alpha, it should be moved and if not closed as fixed on more recent distro

jdd

Yes, this is not so hard. The reporters get a mail, whenever somebody writes something to their bug(s). So if there is asked if the bug still persists, or is present, and time is given to react, the bug can be closed after negative, or no response in the given time. (It can be reopend, or a new bug will be filed.) - -- Have a nice day, M9. Now, is the only time that exists. OS: Linux 2.6.18.8-03-default x86_64 Huidige gebruiker: monkey9@tribal-sfn2 Systeem: openSUSE 10.2 (X86-64) KDE: 3.5.5 "release 45.4" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGYpJYX5/X5X6LpDgRAiKIAJ9o4NgGT0LePPimlLw50+wxArnzaACgsTQc e9pGfdv7iW0QVxwrUlX7WC0= =Y1yy -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Il giorno sab, 02/06/2007 alle 17.19 -0600, Ted Bullock ha scritto:

Why do you believe that waiting until later is a good idea?

Because many of the most important changes still have to take place in openSUSE 10.3. Regards, A. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

So, what needs to be done to get this going (besides announcing a day)? I'm in favor of doing it soon - and repeat if needed ;-) Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, Director Platform / openSUSE, aj@suse.de SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126

"Francis Giannaros" writes:

....To the right list this time; this reply-to business will really be the death of me ;)

On 6/4/07, Andreas Jaeger wrote:

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So, what needs to be done to get this going (besides announcing a day)?

I'm in favor of doing it soon - and repeat if needed ;-)

Andreas

After speaking quickly to a few people on IRC we're thinking of the weekend on the 16-17 of June. This is only one day after alpha5, but I'm not sure we should wait a whole week later for the next weekend.

So, to sum up, the plan would be: * Have one bug day for clearing out old bugs (say, from 10.1) which would be just after alpha5 time. Also encourage users to file enhancement requests for 10.3 at this time, otherwise they may not be implementable later.

* Have another bug day after beta1 time (we don't have to think about the date yet) for trying to really concentrate on all 10.3 bugs.

* Can take place in #opensuse-bugs. bugbot currently reports all openSUSE bug changes in there, but we'll change it at the time to only report _new_ bugs to get the traffic down.

I'm thinking we should only announce a day or two before the bug day, so it's fresh in people's minds :).

Do we need to write some policies for this? Or is what we have sufficient? Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, Director Platform / openSUSE, aj@suse.de SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126

Andreas Jaeger wrote:

Do we need to write some policies for this? Or is what we have sufficient?

"scan the bug list right now and add you as bugs mail recipient (fix this sentence, I don't know the exact wording) to be up and running when the day begin" jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://gourmandises.orangeblog.fr/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org