[opensuse-factory] Tumbleweed and systemd
Dear List mates, Can we include systemd for openSUSE 11.3 Tumbleweed? -- Cheers! Roman openSUSE 11.3 2.6.34.7-0.7-desktop "http://counter.li.org" #179293 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Fri, 2011-01-07 at 10:20 -0500, Roman Bysh wrote:
Dear List mates,
Can we include systemd for openSUSE 11.3 Tumbleweed?
I don't think that will work. It has a lot of dependencies, and is not tested at all, or supported on 11.3. 11.4 and systemd is still a way to go, to make all working. 11.3 is pretty much totally out of question. Kay -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Fri, Jan 07, 2011 at 04:26:11PM +0100, Kay Sievers wrote:
On Fri, 2011-01-07 at 10:20 -0500, Roman Bysh wrote:
Dear List mates,
Can we include systemd for openSUSE 11.3 Tumbleweed?
I don't think that will work. It has a lot of dependencies, and is not tested at all, or supported on 11.3.
11.4 and systemd is still a way to go, to make all working. 11.3 is pretty much totally out of question.
I agree, Tumbleweed for 11.3 right now is to work out the kinks in the process of building/maintaining/supporting Tumbleweed. It's not for things like, "let's throw new features in it!" Also, note for Tumbleweed in the future, it's only going to accept "stable" things that the maintainer of the package feels is ok to add. systemd isn't even there yet as Kay has pointed out. If you want to use systemd, use Factory right now. thanks, greg k-h -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On 01/07/2011 12:19 PM, Greg KH wrote:
On Fri, Jan 07, 2011 at 04:26:11PM +0100, Kay Sievers wrote:
On Fri, 2011-01-07 at 10:20 -0500, Roman Bysh wrote:
Dear List mates,
Can we include systemd for openSUSE 11.3 Tumbleweed?
I don't think that will work. It has a lot of dependencies, and is not tested at all, or supported on 11.3.
11.4 and systemd is still a way to go, to make all working. 11.3 is pretty much totally out of question.
I agree, Tumbleweed for 11.3 right now is to work out the kinks in the process of building/maintaining/supporting Tumbleweed. It's not for things like, "let's throw new features in it!"
Also, note for Tumbleweed in the future, it's only going to accept "stable" things that the maintainer of the package feels is ok to add. systemd isn't even there yet as Kay has pointed out.
If you want to use systemd, use Factory right now.
thanks,
greg k-h
If I were to use the kernel from /HEAD/ with systemd from Factory. Would mkinitrd have to be modified also? If it's yes. I think I will put the rest of my energy into openSUSE 11.4. Cheers! Roman openSUSE 11.3 2.6.34.7-0.7-desktop "http://counter.li.org" #179293 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Sat, 2011-01-08 at 19:45 -0500, Roman Bysh wrote:
On 01/07/2011 12:19 PM, Greg KH wrote:
On Fri, Jan 07, 2011 at 04:26:11PM +0100, Kay Sievers wrote:
On Fri, 2011-01-07 at 10:20 -0500, Roman Bysh wrote:
Dear List mates,
Can we include systemd for openSUSE 11.3 Tumbleweed?
I don't think that will work. It has a lot of dependencies, and is not tested at all, or supported on 11.3.
11.4 and systemd is still a way to go, to make all working. 11.3 is pretty much totally out of question.
I agree, Tumbleweed for 11.3 right now is to work out the kinks in the process of building/maintaining/supporting Tumbleweed. It's not for things like, "let's throw new features in it!"
Also, note for Tumbleweed in the future, it's only going to accept "stable" things that the maintainer of the package feels is ok to add. systemd isn't even there yet as Kay has pointed out.
If you want to use systemd, use Factory right now.
thanks,
greg k-h
If I were to use the kernel from /HEAD/ with systemd from Factory. Would mkinitrd have to be modified also? If it's yes. I think I will put the rest of my energy into openSUSE 11.4.
mkinitrd, aaa_base, udev, dbus-1, util-linux, cryptsetup, ... I wouldn't even try to get this working on 11.3, it can't really. Kay -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On 01/08/2011 10:37 PM, Kay Sievers wrote:
On Sat, 2011-01-08 at 19:45 -0500, Roman Bysh wrote:
On 01/07/2011 12:19 PM, Greg KH wrote:
On Fri, Jan 07, 2011 at 04:26:11PM +0100, Kay Sievers wrote:
On Fri, 2011-01-07 at 10:20 -0500, Roman Bysh wrote:
Dear List mates,
Can we include systemd for openSUSE 11.3 Tumbleweed?
I don't think that will work. It has a lot of dependencies, and is not tested at all, or supported on 11.3.
11.4 and systemd is still a way to go, to make all working. 11.3 is pretty much totally out of question.
I agree, Tumbleweed for 11.3 right now is to work out the kinks in the process of building/maintaining/supporting Tumbleweed. It's not for things like, "let's throw new features in it!"
Also, note for Tumbleweed in the future, it's only going to accept "stable" things that the maintainer of the package feels is ok to add. systemd isn't even there yet as Kay has pointed out.
If you want to use systemd, use Factory right now.
thanks,
greg k-h
If I were to use the kernel from /HEAD/ with systemd from Factory. Would mkinitrd have to be modified also? If it's yes. I think I will put the rest of my energy into openSUSE 11.4.
mkinitrd, aaa_base, udev, dbus-1, util-linux, cryptsetup, ...
I wouldn't even try to get this working on 11.3, it can't really.
Kay
Thanks Kay. That's a lot of work. Best I to stick with openSUSE 11.4. Cheers! Roman openSUSE 11.3 2.6.34.7-0.7-desktop "http://counter.li.org" #179293 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Am Sonntag, 9. Januar 2011 schrieb Kay Sievers:
mkinitrd, aaa_base, udev, dbus-1, util-linux, cryptsetup, ...
I wouldn't even try to get this working on 11.3, it can't really. But this problem is real. This basically means Tumbleweed can't get new versions of packages making up the base distribution. Tumbleweed is not yet another 11.3 repo, it's "slower factory" - seife had a nicer word for it, but I forgot :)
Greetings, Stephan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Mon, 10 Jan 2011 11:05:13 +0100
Stephan Kulow
Am Sonntag, 9. Januar 2011 schrieb Kay Sievers:
mkinitrd, aaa_base, udev, dbus-1, util-linux, cryptsetup, ...
I wouldn't even try to get this working on 11.3, it can't really. But this problem is real. This basically means Tumbleweed can't get new versions of packages making up the base distribution. Tumbleweed is not yet another 11.3 repo, it's "slower factory"
Well, we'll find out how to get this going. Stuff like "bigger basesystem updates" for Tumbleweed will get done once it is necessary and we will learn how to do it best. I could imagine that the update in tumbleweed would be done in a different order (just an example): * the new kernel / X.org is definitely wanted * new kernel needs new mkinitrd, udev * new udev makes new d-bus possible and easy * new aaa_base does not hurt anymore, as the new kernel, udev and mkinitrd are already there * the same for cryptsetup and util-linux => suddenly, adding systemd is not a problem anymore. So it might be, that the request "please add systemd for Tumbleweed" would be rejected right now, because it's too hard to do, just for this one feature (which is really nice, but no killer, and it brings no new hardware support etc.), but 4 or 8 weeks from now, when everything else has caught up, it might be easy to do. In FACTORY, the priorities are sometimes the other way round: New stuff is thrown in, to get it tested, and to find out what breaks and what the dependencies are. Actually that's a nice summary of the differences between FACTORY and Tumbleweed IMHO :-)
- seife had a nicer word for it, but I forgot :)
http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2010-12/msg00180.html "FACTORY on barbiturates" -- Stefan Seyfried What do you mean, "Flash Gordon approaching?" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 11:05:13AM +0100, Stephan Kulow wrote:
Am Sonntag, 9. Januar 2011 schrieb Kay Sievers:
mkinitrd, aaa_base, udev, dbus-1, util-linux, cryptsetup, ...
I wouldn't even try to get this working on 11.3, it can't really. But this problem is real. This basically means Tumbleweed can't get new versions of packages making up the base distribution.
For 11.3, perhaps that is just going to have to be the case. After 11.4, we will deal with it on a package-by-package basis.
Tumbleweed is not yet another 11.3 repo, it's "slower factory"
Exactly. thanks, greg k-h -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
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