On 3/1/19 2:38 PM, Michael Vetter wrote:

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On Wed, 27 Feb 2019 18:01:38 +0100 Ancor Gonzalez Sosa wrote:

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- Users home as Btrfs subvolumes

It might be cool to have an option to encrypt each users how individually now. Where should one propose such a feature?

That's a good question. I don't know. In openSUSE we still don't have a replacement for Fate. And in general our Bugzilla is usually not the best place to discuss something that implies several parties and some decision making. Cheers. -- Ancor González Sosa YaST Team at SUSE Linux GmbH -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On 3/4/19 1:38 PM, Andrei Borzenkov wrote:

On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 10:37 AM Ancor Gonzalez Sosa wrote:

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On 3/1/19 2:38 PM, Michael Vetter wrote:

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Hi,

On Wed, 27 Feb 2019 18:01:38 +0100 Ancor Gonzalez Sosa wrote:

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- Users home as Btrfs subvolumes

It might be cool to have an option to encrypt each users how individually now. Where should one propose such a feature?

That's a good question. I don't know.

In openSUSE we still don't have a replacement for Fate. And in general

Is openFATE officially dead?

https://features.opensuse.org/

Yes, it has been for quite some time already (I don't have the announcements about it at hand, but they should be easily findable). Cheers. -- Ancor González Sosa YaST Team at SUSE Linux GmbH -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On Mon, 4 Mar 2019 at 13:56, Vojtěch Zeisek wrote:

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That's a good question. I don't know. In openSUSE we still don't have a replacement for Fate. And in general

Is openFATE officially dead? https://features.opensuse.org/

Yes, it has been for quite some time already (I don't have the announcements about it at hand, but they should be easily findable).

From https://features.opensuse.org/ Disclaimer: Dear visitor, please be advised that this page is outdated and dysfunctional in parts and will be discontinued. If you are interested in how to propose features for the openSUSE Project, then please join the according discussions on our mailinglists. For proposing new features in the openSUSE distributions, you can use the opensuse-factory mailinglist. For project-related topics, the opensuse-project mailinglist is a good place to start with.

See also https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Openfate and links there

Given that across entire project, it was very rare for anyone to do anything based on an openFATE request, yes, the Board approved its removal. So for topics like this, we'd recommend using this mailinglist, or maybe more specific lists when they exist (eg. opensuse-kubic@, yast-devel@, etc) for any discussions needed to refine a feature idea. And once an idea is accepted by someone to be implemented, the Board don't presume to recommend which tool(s) those contributors should use for tracking their own planned work. I'm a fan of post-it notes ;) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On 05/03/2019 00:08, Vojtěch Zeisek wrote:

Dne pondělí 4. března 2019 14:24:28 CET, Richard Brown napsal(a):

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On Mon, 4 Mar 2019 at 13:56, Vojtěch Zeisek wrote:

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That's a good question. I don't know. In openSUSE we still don't have a replacement for Fate.

Is openFATE officially dead? https://features.opensuse.org/

Yes, it has been for quite some time already (I don't have the announcements about it at hand, but they should be easily findable).

From https://features.opensuse.org/ Disclaimer: Dear visitor, please be advised that this page is outdated and dysfunctional in parts and will be discontinued. If you are interested in how to propose features for the openSUSE Project, then please join the according discussions on our mailinglists. For proposing new features in the openSUSE distributions, you can use the opensuse-factory mailinglist. For project-related topics, the opensuse-project mailinglist is a good place to start with. See also https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Openfate and links there

Given that across entire project, it was very rare for anyone to do anything based on an openFATE request, yes, the Board approved its removal.

IMHO, in such case, it should be removed, as on-line tool which is not working properly is confusing and not good mark of the project organization state.

This is on the Hero's todo list, I believe they plan to give a final warning soon so people have a chance to extract any data they care about and then it will be closed.

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So for topics like this, we'd recommend using this mailinglist, or maybe more specific lists when they exist (eg. opensuse-kubic@, yast-devel@, etc) for any discussions needed to refine a feature idea. And once an idea is accepted by someone to be implemented, the Board don't presume to recommend which tool(s) those contributors should use for tracking their own planned work. I'm a fan of post-it notes ;)

What I like(d) about the openFATE is that it is one central place where one could easily see everything (lists, tags, filtration, notifications, tracing, ...). In ML such topics are easily lost among other conversation and hard to find later. What's wrong about requiring something like openFATE to be used to trace features, their state, etc. (I know it only from user's perspective, not from developer's)? See e.g. https://phabricator.kde.org/

One of the problems is we have very few features that should be implemented in openSUSE itself, in openSUSE we try to stay as close to upstream as possible as such it makes far more sense to request features upstream, in this case upstream yast development, in other cases directly into kde's phab instance if that's there preferred way. For the things where openSUSE is the upstream we tend to keep the code in github and you can report an issue there. Cheers -- Simon Lees (Simotek) http://simotek.net Emergency Update Team keybase.io/simotek SUSE Linux Adelaide Australia, UTC+10:30 GPG Fingerprint: 5B87 DB9D 88DC F606 E489 CEC5 0922 C246 02F0 014B -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On 06/03/2019 03:36, Bjoern Voigt wrote:

Richard Brown wrote:

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So for topics like this, we'd recommend using this mailinglist, or maybe more specific lists when they exist (eg. opensuse-kubic@, yast-devel@, etc) for any discussions needed to refine a feature idea.

I do not think, that mailing lists are the best place for feature requests. Many feature requests have the characteristic that some users are interested in a feature including some community or paid developers which have the skills to realize such a feature, but all are waiting for proposals, opinions, supporters and decisions. And of course time is always a limitation. So even developers with the skills can not start directly with implementing features.

Mailing list discussions about features often stop after some days or end with some trouble. For instance the discussion about old Linux kernels for the Leap distributions in this mailing list ended in some trouble. Many users argued that they want to have newer kernels because they are interested to install and run openSUSE Leap on new hardware and SUSE employees argued that this is too costly and so impossible (at least for openSUSE; it works for Ubuntu). If I want to come back on this discussion I have to search the mailing list archive to have a link for this discussion and I have to start again in the mailing list. It would be much better, if we had a ticket for this user request and everyone, who is interested can subscribe the ticket.

From a professional developer perspective it would be nice to have features known from Github or Atlassian Jira also for the openSUSE community. Bugzilla is not bad to normal bugs, but Github, Jira and other modern platforms have much more useful features e.g. to process feature requests.

In almost all cases these days the code will come from an upstream with such tools that can be used for feature tracking. Something like changing the kernel version in Leap is very rare and for now the ways for discussing it are either the mailinglist or openSUSE's bugzilla, whether we could / should replace openSUSE's bugzilla instance with something "better" is a discussion for another day but potentially a day that is not too far of in the grand scheme of things. -- Simon Lees (Simotek) http://simotek.net Emergency Update Team keybase.io/simotek SUSE Linux Adelaide Australia, UTC+10:30 GPG Fingerprint: 5B87 DB9D 88DC F606 E489 CEC5 0922 C246 02F0 014B -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org