On Sunday, September 18, 2011 10:09:29 AM Kim Leyendecker wrote:

Am 18.09.2011 18:42, schrieb Patrick Shanahan:

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* Roger Luedecke [09-18-11 12:24]:

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http://goo.gl/NbbBG

There is no Bugzilla as this is not my bug. The person experiencing the bug feels he hasn't enough info to file a Bugzilla report. However, this issue is critical since it makes openSUSE unusable on some hardware that should work.

Right, "not your bug" if you do not file it.

Or do you*really* mean that you have not experienced the problem/bug?

AND: no bug-report == no problem

the developers 99.97% follow*only* bug-reports!

so if the "person experiencing" a problem and does not report it, there is NO BUG. Lacking information is not a problem, it will be requested if/when needed, as will methods of obtaining that information.

"no bug-report"*means* "no problem"

full ack!

BTW, Roger, could you please ask the person to submit a bugreport? If she/he doesn´t have a Novell-account, could *you* please file it? The bug sound very bad, and I think there aren´t too much devs around in the forums.

thanks in advance, I have been harassing him about it for months. For some damnable reason he is being a b!@#h about it. But regardless, it is a problem. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

-----Original Message----- From: "Patrick Shanahan" Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 12:42pm To: opensuse-factory@opensuse.org Subject: Re: [opensuse-factory] Critical. Backlight bug making 11.4+ unusable.

* Roger Luedecke [09-18-11 12:24]:

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http://goo.gl/NbbBG

There is no Bugzilla as this is not my bug. The person experiencing the bug feels he hasn't enough info to file a Bugzilla report. However, this issue is critical since it makes openSUSE unusable on some hardware that should work.

Right, "not your bug" if you do not file it.

Or do you *really* mean that you have not experienced the problem/bug?

AND: no bug-report == no problem the developers 99.97% follow *only* bug-reports!

so if the "person experiencing" a problem and does not report it, there is NO BUG. Lacking information is not a problem, it will be requested if/when needed, as will methods of obtaining that information.

"no bug-report" *means* "no problem"

Stupid and tiresome. Of course problems exist regardless of bug reports. And why should it be illegal to discuss a possible problem to find out if anyone else has either experienced it or has any other insight into it before moving on to the stage of calling it a bug and invoking the bug tracking machinery and possibly wasting developers time? It's called putting out a feeler. A thing you do to find out if some issue is just you or not before you go claiming you have a problem that might not actually exist. Yes bugzilla is a more efficient tracking tool and helps gather statistics and collate experiences & observations better, but you don't go filing a damned bugzilla every time your mouse freezes for a second or or something. If you really want hair trigger bug reports of every user experienced glitch regardless if they are bugs or not, then you shouldn't call it filing a "bug" in "bugzilla" but something that lets the user know it's ok to write anything at all in there and they won't be chastised for filing false bug reports nor ignored in the future if they file many such. Not rocket science. -- bkw -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

<quote> * Roger Luedecke [09-18-11 13:06]: . I have been harassing him about it for months. For some damnable reason he is being a b!@#h about it. But regardless, it is a problem. </quote>

* brian@aljex.com [09-18-11 16:24]:

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-----Original Message----- From: "Patrick Shanahan" Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 12:42pm To: opensuse-factory@opensuse.org Subject: Re: [opensuse-factory] Critical. Backlight bug making 11.4+ unusable.

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Stupid and tiresome. Of course problems exist regardless of bug reports. And why should it be illegal to discuss a possible problem to find out if anyone else has either experienced it or has any other insight into it before moving on to the stage of calling it a bug and invoking the bug tracking machinery and possibly wasting developers time? It's called putting out a feeler. A thing you do to find out if some issue is just you or not before you go claiming you have a problem that might not actually exist.

Yes bugzilla is a more efficient tracking tool and helps gather statistics and collate experiences & observations better, but you don't go filing a damned bugzilla every time your mouse freezes for a second or or something.

If you really want hair trigger bug reports of every user experienced glitch regardless if they are bugs or not, then you shouldn't call it filing a "bug" in "bugzilla" but something that lets the user know it's ok to write anything at all in there and they won't be chastised for filing false bug reports nor ignored in the future if they file many such.

Not rocket science.

Certainly not rocket science, need to be able to read/comprehend before placing foot it mouth to act as an ass! Above quoted lines should be read before commenting. What is the point there? What I'm saying is theres a bug I know of, that most

On Sunday, September 18, 2011 01:39:40 PM Patrick Shanahan wrote: likely affect other users. However it isn't mine, and I have few bugs. Thus, I can't very well file a bugzilla. For some reason the guy with that bug, won't file a report at all since he feels he doesn't have enough information... which there is no way to be certain of if nobody knows about the issue. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

On 9/18/2011 4:39 PM, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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<quote> * Roger Luedecke [09-18-11 13:06]: . I have been harassing him about it for months. For some damnable reason he is being a b!@#h about it. But regardless, it is a problem. </quote>

* brian@aljex.com [09-18-11 16:24]:

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-----Original Message----- From: "Patrick Shanahan" Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 12:42pm To: opensuse-factory@opensuse.org Subject: Re: [opensuse-factory] Critical. Backlight bug making 11.4+ unusable.

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Stupid and tiresome. Of course problems exist regardless of bug reports. And why should it be illegal to discuss a possible problem to find out if anyone else has either experienced it or has any other insight into it before moving on to the stage of calling it a bug and invoking the bug tracking machinery and possibly wasting developers time? It's called putting out a feeler. A thing you do to find out if some issue is just you or not before you go claiming you have a problem that might not actually exist.

Yes bugzilla is a more efficient tracking tool and helps gather statistics and collate experiences& observations better, but you don't go filing a damned bugzilla every time your mouse freezes for a second or or something.

If you really want hair trigger bug reports of every user experienced glitch regardless if they are bugs or not, then you shouldn't call it filing a "bug" in "bugzilla" but something that lets the user know it's ok to write anything at all in there and they won't be chastised for filing false bug reports nor ignored in the future if they file many such.

Not rocket science.

Certainly not rocket science, need to be able to read/comprehend before placing foot it mouth to act as an ass! Above quoted lines should be read before commenting.

I didn't miss those lines. It has no bearing on what I was saying. What was that about being an ass and feet in mouths? Well, forgive me for the quasi-expletive. But I have been trying to convince him (who is my friend) that if what he has is all he can get, then he should

On Sunday, September 18, 2011 10:40:36 PM Brian K. White wrote: post a bug report. As this makes it impossible to use in any mode (except maybe ssh) it is excessively critical. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

On 09/18/2011 12:22 PM, brian@aljex.com wrote:

-----Original Message----- From: "Patrick Shanahan" Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 12:42pm To: opensuse-factory@opensuse.org Subject: Re: [opensuse-factory] Critical. Backlight bug making 11.4+ unusable.

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AND: no bug-report == no problem the developers 99.97% follow *only* bug-reports!

so if the "person experiencing" a problem and does not report it, there is NO BUG. Lacking information is not a problem, it will be requested if/when needed, as will methods of obtaining that information.

"no bug-report" *means* "no problem" Stupid and tiresome. Of course problems exist regardless of bug reports.

...nice...

Yes bugzilla is a more efficient tracking tool and helps gather statistics and collate experiences& observations better, but you don't go filing a damned bugzilla every time your mouse freezes for a second or or something.

I think the point is, if you want it fixed or even looked at you should really file a bug. If you think something is a bug file it as a bug. (In fact there is currently an upstream bug in Cataylst / fglrx where the mouse freezes for a second in the lower right hand corner of the screen.) HTH :) -johnm -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

On Monday, September 19, 2011 12:42:52 AM jdd wrote:

Le 19/09/2011 08:37, John McInnes a écrit :

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"no bug-report" *means* "no problem"

Stupid and tiresome. Of course problems exist regardless of bug reports.

...nice...

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Yes bugzilla is a more efficient tracking tool and helps gather

don't you think such flame on factory list is boring?

of course there are bugs even when there is no report in bugzilla, but nobody can fix them if they are not reported there! seems obvious, no?

and did the original poster test the "nomodeset" kernel line option? just to see if the problem is related to already known bug or is really new.

thaks all for your patience

jdd Alright, some of the folks here got on the forum and helped him get to a point to file a bug-report. YAY! And here it is! https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=719076 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

On Monday, September 19, 2011 01:06:14 AM Melchior FRANZ wrote:

Assuming this is the same bug that I see on my Acer Travelmate 5735Z, it's reported as kernel bug https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=31522 and was introduced after 2.6.38-rc8. The responsible kernel developers investigated this, and it turned out that on this notebook the BIOS/ACPI LBPC value is backwards: 0xff means dark here, whereas normally it means brightest, and 0x00 means bright, when it should mean dark.

There are ways to work around it on this machine: either use nomodeset, or set acpi_osi=Linux and press the "Backlight Darker" key once when the screen got dark. Not proper fix has been suggested yet.

m. I'll forward this, and see if he is willing to test it. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org