[opensuse-factory] Re: [opensuse] Support and repairtools: A laughing stock! (was:Unnecessary Packages in Yast: Can they be removed without consequence?)
Op 01-11-12 09:53, Oddball schreef:
Op 01-11-12 09:34, Hans Witvliet schreef:
On Wed, 2012-10-31 at 23:53 +0100, Oddball wrote:
The other thing is a mistake i made: i never use lvm. This time i thought ok, lets try it. Lvm is not supported yet in Knoppix, so the partitions could not get mounted, only windows and /boot were visible.
Instead of kroppix, you can use either the KDE-live-cd, or the install-12.2-DVD and choose "live-KDE". LVM and soft raid are recognized there... And do the repair work hence on.
That is an opportunity, but it is the question if it would boot at all. Install the bootloader and mkinitrd might be done if the system is mounted... I think new install will be better. Maybe keep /home, and lvm for now, or use kde to transfer /home to an external hdd, and get rid of lvm.
Nope, lvm is not recognised there... And this was the first and last time i was ever gonna use it. So backing up my files is not an option. I think some serious rethinking should be done about what is the aim on opensuse? Create an os that is useless always broken but looks sometimes shiny? Or a system that uses only tools that work, and that are supported? A repair kit that is usable?, or just something that looks like it, but it is not even good enough to wipe your ass with? (difficult with a laptop or pc i agree.. :-D) I think, if opensuse continous, to go on, on this road, the userbase will shrink further. What is the use of an update tool, if the system is broken? First :1) repair the system, 2) support it, and 3) create a working repairkit, so people who test, do not have use their valuable time on re-installing their system. This is the formula for openSUSE 123. -- Enjoy your time around, Oddball (M9.) (Now or never...) OS: Linux 2.6.37.1-1.2-desktop x86_64 Huidige gebruiker: oddball@AMD64x2sfn1 Systeem: openSUSE 11.4 (x86_64) KDE: 4.6.00 (4.6.0) "release 6" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Op 01-11-12 12:10, Oddball schreef:
Op 01-11-12 09:53, Oddball schreef:
Op 01-11-12 09:34, Hans Witvliet schreef:
On Wed, 2012-10-31 at 23:53 +0100, Oddball wrote:
The other thing is a mistake i made: i never use lvm. This time i thought ok, lets try it. Lvm is not supported yet in Knoppix, so the partitions could not get mounted, only windows and /boot were visible.
Instead of kroppix, you can use either the KDE-live-cd, or the install-12.2-DVD and choose "live-KDE". LVM and soft raid are recognized there... And do the repair work hence on.
That is an opportunity, but it is the question if it would boot at all. Install the bootloader and mkinitrd might be done if the system is mounted... I think new install will be better. Maybe keep /home, and lvm for now, or use kde to transfer /home to an external hdd, and get rid of lvm.
Nope, lvm is not recognised there... And this was the first and last time i was ever gonna use it. So backing up my files is not an option.
I think some serious rethinking should be done about what is the aim on opensuse?
Create an os that is useless always broken but looks sometimes shiny? Or a system that uses only tools that work, and that are supported? A repair kit that is usable?, or just something that looks like it, but it is not even good enough to wipe your ass with? (difficult with a laptop or pc i agree.. :-D)
I think, if opensuse continous, to go on, on this road, the userbase will shrink further.
What is the use of an update tool, if the system is broken?
First :1) repair the system, 2) support it, and 3) create a working repairkit, so people who test, do not have use their valuable time on re-installing their system.
This is the formula for openSUSE 123.
Who creates a live cd with a password? What is the password? How to find it? Also, this is not very clever.... One goes away to another pc, or for some coffee: desktop locked! -- Enjoy your time around, Oddball (M9.) (Now or never...) OS: Linux 2.6.37.1-1.2-desktop x86_64 Huidige gebruiker: oddball@AMD64x2sfn1 Systeem: openSUSE 11.4 (x86_64) KDE: 4.6.00 (4.6.0) "release 6" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Op 01-11-12 12:22, Oddball schreef:
Op 01-11-12 12:10, Oddball schreef:
Op 01-11-12 09:53, Oddball schreef:
Op 01-11-12 09:34, Hans Witvliet schreef:
On Wed, 2012-10-31 at 23:53 +0100, Oddball wrote:
The other thing is a mistake i made: i never use lvm. This time i thought ok, lets try it. Lvm is not supported yet in Knoppix, so the partitions could not get mounted, only windows and /boot were visible.
Instead of kroppix, you can use either the KDE-live-cd, or the install-12.2-DVD and choose "live-KDE". LVM and soft raid are recognized there... And do the repair work hence on.
That is an opportunity, but it is the question if it would boot at all. Install the bootloader and mkinitrd might be done if the system is mounted... I think new install will be better. Maybe keep /home, and lvm for now, or use kde to transfer /home to an external hdd, and get rid of lvm.
Nope, lvm is not recognised there... And this was the first and last time i was ever gonna use it. So backing up my files is not an option.
I think some serious rethinking should be done about what is the aim on opensuse?
Create an os that is useless always broken but looks sometimes shiny? Or a system that uses only tools that work, and that are supported? A repair kit that is usable?, or just something that looks like it, but it is not even good enough to wipe your ass with? (difficult with a laptop or pc i agree.. :-D)
I think, if opensuse continous, to go on, on this road, the userbase will shrink further.
What is the use of an update tool, if the system is broken?
First :1) repair the system, 2) support it, and 3) create a working repairkit, so people who test, do not have use their valuable time on re-installing their system.
This is the formula for openSUSE 123.
Who creates a live cd with a password? What is the password? How to find it?
Also, this is not very clever.... One goes away to another pc, or for some coffee: desktop locked!
If you don't know ctrl+alt+2xbackspace, you are f****d. Cannot unlock the session because the authentication system failed to work; You must kill kscreenlocker (pid 4,836) manually It is really funny, is this created to make fun of users? Like: no keyboard found: Press any key to continue. -- Enjoy your time around, Oddball (M9.) (Now or never...) OS: Linux 2.6.37.1-1.2-desktop x86_64 Huidige gebruiker: oddball@AMD64x2sfn1 Systeem: openSUSE 11.4 (x86_64) KDE: 4.6.00 (4.6.0) "release 6" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
* Oddball
I think some serious rethinking should be done about what is the aim on opensuse?
Create an os that is useless always broken but looks sometimes shiny? Or a system that uses only tools that work, and that are supported? A repair kit that is usable?, or just something that looks like it, but it is not even good enough to wipe your ass with? (difficult with a laptop or pc i agree.. :-D)
I think, if opensuse continous, to go on, on this road, the userbase will shrink further.
What is the use of an update tool, if the system is broken?
While you are certainly allowed to speak your feelings, those utterances are the result of frustration of your own making. Continuing in this manner will definitely, and has already, alienate those inclined to lend you assistance which so far you either dismiss or only half perform. Wipe your disk(s) after backingup your <home>. Make a *new* install w/o selecting *kde3* apps. Boot into your new system with a *new* user and attempt to do *controlled* and *reversable* changes to achieve your needs. Then and only then import your saved <home> a portion at a time checking that something does not change your system adversely. Return and *sanely* request assistance w/o the rants and derogatory. Perhaps you will get help and perhaps not. *You* are *your* own worst enemy. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
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