Re: [opensuse-factory] PHP - tales from the crypt
Stephan von Krawczynski escribió:
And the reason I am forwarding this as a last point to aj is that I am deeply concerned about the ongoings. Whenever I experienced situations like this they did not survive. With "situations like this" I explicitely mean people not listening and acting like being Jesus in terms of knowing everything or most of it and therefore stopped questioning their own work.
And this is caused by the fact that this list sometimes have people like you that : 1. have a problem. 2. Do not describe the exact problem and asks meta questions. 3. want to rant and blame others for their own problems. 4. does not want to move their asses to contribute a solution for the problem, instead they want other people to fix the problem for them. 5. resist to understand that distributions needs to move on in every aspect. and that usually means that legacy software should be removed. 6. they fail to figure the rest of the world is doing the same thing and what is really wrong is their own stuff.
I listened to Cristian saying that he will for sure remove all PHP4 stuff around beginning next year. Sorry to say that, but he hasn't even understood the basics of the whole community which is that you do not delete already done work,
In the same pharagraph you talked about Ubuntu, well Ubuntu has already deleted PHP4 from their repositories and was unsupported in the last **3 releases**, so your argumentation is bogus, also is not about deleting already done work. is a about wasting countless hours of my/our time mantaining a dying beast.
On Sun 13 May 2007 09:16:09 NZST +1200, Cristian Rodriguez R. wrote:
5. resist to understand that distributions needs to move on in every aspect. and that usually means that legacy software should be removed.
Nice theory. In practice I think I understand what Stephan is talking about. Suppose your boss decides it's time to use http://www.phpprobid.com/auction-script-requirements.php or your customers decide to do the same, you have Stephan's situation: someone decides to use a piece of junk, and it's your job to make it work. No it won't work with php 5 (or mysql 5). Whichever way you look, you're stuffed. You said fix the script? Good luck when you're only having half the source, very common I take it with this zend smokescreen. I'd probably install SUSE 10.0 and hope that nothing else will require 10.1+. And I'd be swearing at the php people for a lousy language design which doesn't stay compatible with itself (Visual Basic is better than that?), and be annoyed with every lemming using it, thus forcing it down my throat as well (indirectly). Fortunately I don't have that job atm. My personal preference is still mv PHP /dev/null. I know someone who isn't having php on his server anymore because of the astronomical grief it caused. Does .asp cause less trouble? Volker -- Volker Kuhlmann is list0570 with the domain in header http://volker.dnsalias.net/ Please do not CC list postings to me. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Volker Kuhlmann escribió:
if it says PHP4 in the requirements does not mean it does not work with PHP5. ;)
And I'd be swearing at the php people for a lousy language design which doesn't stay compatible with itself
it **is** compatible, but have certain backward incompatible things.
My personal preference is still mv PHP /dev/null. I know someone who isn't having php on his server anymore because of the astronomical grief it caused. Does .asp cause less trouble?
languages change from time to time, this is not exclusive of PHP ( look python 2.5 f.e) it is more common to see this rants on PHP because is more popular and widely deployed.. I perfectly understand the problems this arise because I have made profit^W^Wsuffered :-) with this issue too ;)
I think we have php4 in the Build Service. Is that correct? Wouldn't that solve the problems - give Stephan a php4 that works with openSUSE 10.2 and us not needing to maintain a dead version? Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, aj@suse.de, http://www.suse.de/~aj/ SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126
Andreas Jaeger escribió:
I think we have php4 in the Build Service. Is that correct?
yes, mmarek mantains it and I may move/add an updated version there , although is not a priority
Wouldn't that solve the problems - give Stephan a php4 that works with openSUSE 10.2 and us not needing to maintain a dead version?
Exaclty, that actually solves his problem.
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