* Erwin Van de Velde [10-02-12 07:15]:

On Tuesday 02 October 2012 06:44:19 Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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Greg KH remarked here that there would be a couple of weeks for 12.2 to "settle down" before resuming. You can search the archives for his *exact* comments.

I have read it, but we are a few weeks later now, without any new information. Anyway, it is possible to provide e.g. KDE 4.9 packages for 12.2 (see KR49 repo), so why can we not start from there? Now I have to enable this repo for a month or two before switching back to Tumbleweed, which is annoying...

I am sure that Greg KH would *appreciate* any help you can provide. His day job may somewhat interfere with generating Tumbleweed updates. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

* Jiri Slaby [10-02-12 06:58]: ...

I personally have some packages in home:jirislaby:tumbleweed. You may use that repo, if you want. However, there is no guarantee and it has some limitations. Like it is x86_64-only, contains only few kernel flavors and currently has a bug in libqt: https://bugreports.qt-project.org/browse/QTBUG-27322 i.e. the new KDE does not even start on x86_64 with less than 2G of memory. And I will delete most of the stuff as soon as official Tumbleweed have all that.

There are *many* conflicts with akonadi and kdelibs4 for current semi-stock tumbleweed. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

* Jiri Slaby [10-02-12 13:33]:

On 10/02/2012 01:25 PM, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* Jiri Slaby [10-02-12 06:58]: ...

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I personally have some packages in home:jirislaby:tumbleweed. You may use that repo, if you want. However, there is no guarantee and it has some limitations. Like it is x86_64-only, contains only few kernel flavors and currently has a bug in libqt: https://bugreports.qt-project.org/browse/QTBUG-27322 i.e. the new KDE does not even start on x86_64 with less than 2G of memory. And I will delete most of the stuff as soon as official Tumbleweed have all that.

There are *many* conflicts with akonadi and kdelibs4 for current semi-stock tumbleweed.

What conflicts exactly?

Odd... I re-added your repo and refreshed and did zypper dup and have: 31 packages to upgrade, 4 new, 1 to remove, 31 to change vendor. so I cannot tell you now and I did no updates between seeing the conflicts and now. But I did have *many* conflicts listing. I see I still have the screen lines from the first attempt: New repository or package signing key received: Key ID: 8616C29DCFB63DF6 Key Name: home:jirislaby OBS Project home:jirislaby@build.opensuse.org Key Fingerprint: 78B72AEFFFDAD2A8E212E0F08616C29DCFB63DF6 Key Created: Tue Apr 24 06:53:16 2012 Key Expires: Thu Jul 3 06:53:16 2014 Repository: home:jirislaby:tumbleweed (openSUSE_Tumbleweed) Problem: calligra-doc-2.4.3-2.4.1.noarch requires calligra = 2.4.3, but this requirement cannot be provided Problem: akonadi-google-lang-0.3.1-2.4.1.noarch requires akonadi-google = 0.3.1, but this requirement cannot be provided and in dealing with these *two* "Problems", the questions went on and on and on until I cancelled. OK, the first attemtp I did: zypper dup --from home_jirislaby_tumbleweed and the second: zypper dup Looks like 4.9.1 artwork but still 4.8.5 kdelibs4 tks, upgrading now. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On 10/02/12 14:08, Greg KH pecked at the keyboard and wrote:

On Tue, Oct 02, 2012 at 10:24:45AM +0200, Erwin Van de Velde wrote:

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Hi all,

When will Tumbleweed be revived again? It is a pity that it fails to continue quickly after an openSUSE upgrade, especially since it was ahead of openSUSE 12.2 already for some packages (kernel, KDE, ...).

A "pity"? That's a good one, you now owe me a beer for complaining :)

I'm testing kernel packages out right now for Tumbleweed, but the build system is a bit slow right now. After that gets out and pushed publically, I'll look at KDE.

Other than the kernel and KDE, are there any _specific_ packages you are wanting to see in Tumbleweed?

greg k-h

The only pity here is that some people have no patience. Keep up the great work Greg. -- Ken Schneider SuSe since Version 5.2, June 1998 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On Wed, 2012-10-03 at 09:55 +0200, Erwin Van de Velde wrote:

On Tuesday 02 October 2012 15:33:11 Ken Schneider - openSUSE wrote:

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The only pity here is that some people have no patience.

Patience is not the issue here, a service only really exists if one can rely on it. I really like the idea behind Tumbleweed and understand that sometimes it can be tough, but that is only reason to find beter ways to do it. You cannot blame users for asking where a certain service went, only ask them and others for more help in getting it back on track.

Best regards, Erwin

Asking "hey what's the current status?" is one thing. Criticizing by calling it a pity is another. One thing I appreciate a lot on these Tumbleweed discussions is seeing how many people are extremely respectful and recognize that Greg carries a lot of the weight of Tumbleweed on his shoulders. They're patient in recognizing that he juggles quite a bit here on a purely voluntary basis since this isn't his day job. There is a right and wrong approach to how you query things. Saying it's a pity and this/this/this should have been done, implies that you are planning to volunteer to help offload the work. I'm sure Greg will appreciate your assistance. Bryen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On Tue, Oct 02, 2012 at 11:08:55AM -0700, Greg KH wrote:

On Tue, Oct 02, 2012 at 10:24:45AM +0200, Erwin Van de Velde wrote:

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Hi all,

When will Tumbleweed be revived again? It is a pity that it fails to continue quickly after an openSUSE upgrade, especially since it was ahead of openSUSE 12.2 already for some packages (kernel, KDE, ...).

A "pity"? That's a good one, you now owe me a beer for complaining :)

I'm testing kernel packages out right now for Tumbleweed, but the build system is a bit slow right now. After that gets out and pushed publically, I'll look at KDE.

Oh, and if anyone ever wants to know what is coming "next" in Tumbleweed, look at Tumbleweed:Testing: https://build.opensuse.org/project/monitor?project=openSUSE%3ATumbleweed%3AT... to see what is happening. If your are very daring, feel free to also enable that repo on your own system, I do on mine :) greg k-h -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

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You need also Base:System/mkinitrd

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On Wed, Oct 03, 2012 at 09:49:56AM +0200, Erwin Van de Velde wrote:

Why can you not just copy the build files from KR49 for now? Since 12.2 and Tumbleweed are 99.9% the same right now, I fail to see the problem there.

The latest KDE release just finished building in the KR49 release a mere _hours_ ago, and you feel that is tested and "stable" enough to release it to everyone else as well in Tumbleweed? I do not, give it at least a full day please :) And yes, of course we will use the same build files, that's how Tumbleweed works, we link in the exact same packages, not duplicating or changing anything. OBS makes this very easy to do, which is why Tumbleweed is possible in the first place. Please be patient, Tumbleweed is about packages that are "stable", on top of a "stable" base, like 12.2. I wanted for 12.2 to be nice and solid before adding new stuff on top of it as it takes away the variables that cause people problems. And if you've seen the reports of upgrade issues on the Tumbleweed forum, you would understand why I have done this.

I agree of course that more Tumbleweed maintainers may be necessary, but then that is the issue one should try to tackle not mocking users who want to use your repositories.

I merely asked for a free beer from you, as you were asking me to do work for you, how is that not fair? :) greg k-h -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

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I agree of course that more Tumbleweed maintainers may be necessary, but then that is the issue one should try to tackle not mocking users who want to use your repositories.

I merely asked for a free beer from you, as you were asking me to do work for you, how is that not fair? :)

To be fair, Greg should be asking for a home brew! (I've got a couple cases of home brew waiting to be bottled right now, so it's on my mind. And my local LUG was ale.org. They consider anything linux or home brew to be on-topic!) Greg (not KH) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org