[opensuse-factory] Unnecessary Packages in Yast: Can they be removed without consequence?
As in subject. This option shows a lot of packages! How do i know they can be removed without negative consequenses?
On 10/30/2012 01:23 PM, Oddball wrote:
As in subject. This option shows a lot of packages! How do i know they can be removed without negative consequenses?
Which packages and where? How do you know they are not necessary?
Thx Lukas
Op 30-10-12 13:48, Lukas Ocilka schreef:
On 10/30/2012 01:23 PM, Oddball wrote:
As in subject. This option shows a lot of packages! How do i know they can be removed without negative consequenses?
Which packages and where? How do you know they are not necessary?
Thx Lukas
That is exactly my question. I will copy the list after i rebooted, installed all new packages and Kernel.
Op 30-10-12 13:55, Oddball schreef:
Op 30-10-12 13:48, Lukas Ocilka schreef:
On 10/30/2012 01:23 PM, Oddball wrote:
As in subject. This option shows a lot of packages! How do i know they can be removed without negative consequenses?
Which packages and where? How do you know they are not necessary?
Thx Lukas
That is exactly my question. I will copy the list after i rebooted, installed all new packages and Kernel.
Personally i do not quite understand the name: 'unneeded packages', especially when i look at the list: kernel-firmware, skype, make, 7zip, etc. But i think those are packages i installed myself, and are not 'part' of the standard install.
On 10/30/2012 02:09 PM, Oddball wrote:
Op 30-10-12 13:55, Oddball schreef:
Op 30-10-12 13:48, Lukas Ocilka schreef:
On 10/30/2012 01:23 PM, Oddball wrote:
As in subject. This option shows a lot of packages! How do i know they can be removed without negative consequenses?
Which packages and where? How do you know they are not necessary?
That is exactly my question. I will copy the list after i rebooted, installed all new packages and Kernel.
Personally i do not quite understand the name: 'unneeded packages', especially when i look at the list: kernel-firmware, skype, make, 7zip, etc. But i think those are packages i installed myself, and are not 'part' of the standard install.
Looks like this https://features.opensuse.org/300758
HTH Lukas
Op 30-10-12 14:48, Lukas Ocilka schreef:
On 10/30/2012 02:09 PM, Oddball wrote:
Op 30-10-12 13:55, Oddball schreef:
Op 30-10-12 13:48, Lukas Ocilka schreef:
On 10/30/2012 01:23 PM, Oddball wrote:
As in subject. This option shows a lot of packages! How do i know they can be removed without negative consequenses?
Which packages and where? How do you know they are not necessary?
That is exactly my question. I will copy the list after i rebooted, installed all new packages and Kernel.
Personally i do not quite understand the name: 'unneeded packages', especially when i look at the list: kernel-firmware, skype, make, 7zip, etc. But i think those are packages i installed myself, and are not 'part' of the standard install.
Looks like this https://features.opensuse.org/300758
HTH Lukas
I remember the wish of many people, myself included, that wanted to know which packages just, 'hang around' in the system, and are of no use than just cluttering space. At that time, there were also many dep-solver problems, called 'dependency hell', a night mare to anybody that wanted to upgrade but had like 'alien' packages installed, from outside the distro repos. This has absolutely been approved for about 90-95%, maybe even more, as when upgrading all packages, just now, only *one* dep had to be solved by my choice. But this time install was still young, and not far from original install, so i might be overly enthusiast.
So, i might conclude they are safe to remove, unless i want to use them myself, but they are not from vital importance to keep the system running.
Op 30-10-12 15:09, Oddball schreef:
Op 30-10-12 14:48, Lukas Ocilka schreef:
On 10/30/2012 02:09 PM, Oddball wrote:
Op 30-10-12 13:55, Oddball schreef:
Op 30-10-12 13:48, Lukas Ocilka schreef:
On 10/30/2012 01:23 PM, Oddball wrote:
As in subject. This option shows a lot of packages! How do i know they can be removed without negative consequenses?
Which packages and where? How do you know they are not necessary?
That is exactly my question. I will copy the list after i rebooted, installed all new packages and Kernel.
Personally i do not quite understand the name: 'unneeded packages', especially when i look at the list: kernel-firmware, skype, make, 7zip, etc. But i think those are packages i installed myself, and are not 'part' of the standard install.
Looks like this https://features.opensuse.org/300758
HTH Lukas
I remember the wish of many people, myself included, that wanted to know which packages just, 'hang around' in the system, and are of no use than just cluttering space. At that time, there were also many dep-solver problems, called 'dependency hell', a night mare to anybody that wanted to upgrade but had like 'alien' packages installed, from outside the distro repos. This has absolutely been *improved* for about 90-95%, maybe even more, as when upgrading all packages, just now, only *one* dep had to be solved by my choice. But this time install was still young, and not far from original install, so i might be overly enthusiast.
So, i might conclude they are safe to remove, unless i want to use them myself, but they are not from vital importance to keep the system running.
On Tue, 30 Oct 2012 15:29:02 +0100 Oddball monkey9@iae.nl wrote: <snip>
So, i might conclude they are safe to remove, unless i want to use them myself, but they are not from vital importance to keep the system running.
Hi If you really concerned about package bloat, why not use SUSE Studio starting from a JeOS build and add in your required packages (you can also include via any OBS project or just upload the rpms).
Op 30-10-12 15:38, Malcolm schreef:
On Tue, 30 Oct 2012 15:29:02 +0100 Oddball monkey9@iae.nl wrote:
<snip> >> So, i might conclude they are safe to remove, unless i want to use >> them myself, but they are not from vital importance to keep the >> system running. >> > Hi If you really concerned about package bloat, why not use SUSE Studio starting from a JeOS build and add in your required packages (you can also include via any OBS project or just upload the rpms).
No, i am not really concerned, i wast just looking around in yast, to find out what i did not check out before. Start from scratch takes probably more time than i have... But who knows, when winter is around, but than i have to stay away from Africa, because it is hot there when it is winter here... :-D
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On 2012-10-30 14:09, Oddball wrote:
That is exactly my question. I will copy the list after i rebooted, installed all new packages and Kernel.
I do not see in the list things that you really do not need, worth bothering about them. But you do have kde3 installed.
However... do you intend to compile the kernel? If not, you do not need kernel-source. Or compile anything? If not, you do not need make nor checkinstall. Skype is up to you, whether you intend to use it or not. It is not part of the distro at all, you must have installed it yourself from other sources.
- -- Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R. (from 11.4 x86_64 "Celadon" (Minas Tirith))
Op 30-10-12 19:56, Carlos E. R. schreef:
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On 2012-10-30 14:09, Oddball wrote:
That is exactly my question. I will copy the list after i rebooted, installed all new packages and Kernel.
I do not see in the list things that you really do not need, worth bothering about them. But you do have kde3 installed.
However... do you intend to compile the kernel? If not, you do not need kernel-source. Or compile anything? If not, you do not need make nor checkinstall. Skype is up to you, whether you intend to use it or not. It is not part of the distro at all, you must have installed it yourself from other sources.
So have you, but that is not relevant. I found out that it is indeed about packages that are not part of the original install. Yes the sources and friends were for to compile a useless ndis-driver: it is in the kernel modules. But i did not know at the time. So now i can not get rid of it, because i can not login as root to desktop.
And skype, daily much used app onboard, and installed from original website.
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On 2012-10-30 20:27, Oddball wrote:
But i did not know at the time. So now i can not get rid of it, because i can not login as root to desktop.
You do not need to login as root to the desktop to do it. Nobody does it that way if they can avoid it. One of many ways: open a terminal, like xterm, konsole, whatever. Inside type "su -", and do not forget the dash. Enter the root password when asked. And then type "yast2 &" and there you have.
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Carlos E. R. (from 11.4 x86_64 "Celadon" (Minas Tirith))
Op 30-10-12 20:35, Carlos E. R. schreef:
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You do not need to login as root to the desktop to do it. Nobody does it that way if they can avoid it. One of many ways: open a terminal, like xterm, konsole, whatever. Inside type "su -", and do not forget the dash. Enter the root password when asked. And then type "yast2 &" and there you have.
Well, if it was that simple i would have done it already. It is mobile partner software, for a huawei modem. The ndis drivers did not install, because they were valid until 112, and arch changed a bit, so the kernel files needed, were on another location, so these drivers did not install, but the ui pops up every time i plug in the device, but can not connect due to the missing drivers. I want to get rid of it. It is not regular, i had to compile it. I do not know what is the command for 'uninstall' so i can not activate the script to do it.
Cheers / Saludos,
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On 2012-10-31 11:26, Oddball wrote:
Op 30-10-12 20:35, Carlos E. R. schreef:
Well, if it was that simple i would have done it already. It is mobile partner software, for a huawei modem.
Well, that's a completely different issue.
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Carlos E. R. (from 11.4 x86_64 "Celadon" (Minas Tirith))
Op 31-10-12 11:28, Carlos E. R. schreef:
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On 2012-10-31 11:26, Oddball wrote:
Op 30-10-12 20:35, Carlos E. R. schreef:
Well, if it was that simple i would have done it already. It is mobile partner software, for a huawei modem.
Well, that's a completely different issue.
It is, and it has the 'windows uninstall structure', with an uninstall button. Pushing the button opens a terminal window that says: 'you are not root, bye!' So, that is why i would want to use a root desktop.
Cheers / Saludos,
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On 2012-10-31 12:16, Oddball wrote:
Op 31-10-12 11:28, Carlos E. R. schreef:
Well, that's a completely different issue.
It is, and it has the 'windows uninstall structure', with an uninstall button. Pushing the button opens a terminal window that says: 'you are not root, bye!' So, that is why i would want to use a root desktop.
AH! That's one of the very few times I read a valid reason to log in as root to the desktop.
Well, you can try to switch to VT-1 (ctrl-alt-f1), log in as root there, run "init 3" to kill graphics, then run "startx" to initiate a graphical session with no login.
- -- Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R. (from 11.4 x86_64 "Celadon" (Minas Tirith))
Op 31-10-12 12:29, Carlos E. R. schreef:
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On 2012-10-31 12:16, Oddball wrote:
Op 31-10-12 11:28, Carlos E. R. schreef: Well, that's a completely different issue.
It is, and it has the 'windows uninstall structure', with an uninstall button. Pushing the button opens a terminal window that says: 'you are not root, bye!' So, that is why i would want to use a root desktop.
AH! That's one of the very few times I read a valid reason to log in as root to the desktop.
Well, you can try to switch to VT-1 (ctrl-alt-f1), log in as root there, run "init 3" to kill graphics, then run "startx" to initiate a graphical session with no login.
Tried this, but without killing the other desktops graphics. Hope it works, but i fear to get the same message again. I will do so now.
Cheers / Saludos,
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Op 31-10-12 12:47, Oddball schreef:
Op 31-10-12 12:29, Carlos E. R. schreef:
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On 2012-10-31 12:16, Oddball wrote:
Op 31-10-12 11:28, Carlos E. R. schreef: Well, that's a completely different issue.
It is, and it has the 'windows uninstall structure', with an uninstall button. Pushing the button opens a terminal window that says: 'you are not root, bye!' So, that is why i would want to use a root desktop.
AH! That's one of the very few times I read a valid reason to log in as root to the desktop.
Well, you can try to switch to VT-1 (ctrl-alt-f1), log in as root there, run "init 3" to kill graphics, then run "startx" to initiate a graphical session with no login.
Tried this, but without killing the other desktops graphics. Hope it works, but i fear to get the same message again. I will do so now.
After i ran "init 3" the complete terminal dissappeared, and all that was left was a horizontal blinking dash. Keyboard input gone. So the try to run 'startx' was in vane...
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On 2012-10-31 12:59, Oddball wrote:
Op 31-10-12 12:47, Oddball schreef:
Op 31-10-12 12:29, Carlos E. R. schreef:
Well, you can try to switch to VT-1 (ctrl-alt-f1), log in as root there, run "init 3" to kill graphics, then run "startx" to initiate a graphical session with no login.
Tried this, but without killing the other desktops graphics.
That will not work.
After i ran "init 3" the complete terminal dissappeared, and all that was left was a horizontal blinking dash.
You have to do that while in VT-1. Where you there? If not, type [ctrl][alt][F1] - press those 3 keys simultaneously, and release when it jumps.
You have to do what I tell you, not other. If you do other things we waste time.
- -- Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R. (from 11.4 x86_64 "Celadon" (Minas Tirith))
Op 31-10-12 14:01, Carlos E. R. schreef:
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On 2012-10-31 12:59, Oddball wrote:
Op 31-10-12 12:47, Oddball schreef:
Op 31-10-12 12:29, Carlos E. R. schreef:
Well, you can try to switch to VT-1 (ctrl-alt-f1), log in as root there, run "init 3" to kill graphics, then run "startx" to initiate a graphical session with no login.
Tried this, but without killing the other desktops graphics.
That will not work.
After i ran "init 3" the complete terminal dissappeared, and all that was left was a horizontal blinking dash.
You have to do that while in VT-1. Where you there? If not, type [ctrl][alt][F1] - press those 3 keys simultaneously, and release when it jumps.
You have to do what I tell you, not other. If you do other things we waste time.
Yes, i was there, because i know how it works: ctrl+alt+F1 > init 3, with other user desktop still active, ctrl+alt+F7>return to other users desktop.
While in tty, i became root, than i ran 'init 3' as you suggested. After i ran "init 3" the complete terminal dissappeared, and all that was left was a horizontal blinking dash.
Cheers / Saludos,
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On 2012-10-31 14:12 (GMT+0100) Oddball composed:
After i ran "init 3" the complete terminal dissappeared, and all that was left was a horizontal blinking dash.
You have to do that while in VT-1. Where you there? If not, type [ctrl][alt][F1] - press those 3 keys simultaneously, and release when it jumps.
You have to do what I tell you, not other. If you do other things we waste time.
Yes, i was there, because i know how it works: ctrl+alt+F1 > init 3, with other user desktop still active, ctrl+alt+F7>return to other users desktop.
While in tty, i became root, than i ran 'init 3' as you suggested. After i ran "init 3" the complete terminal dissappeared, and all that was left was a horizontal blinking dash.
You can thank systemd for this. Once you have control back, you can 'zypper in sysvinit-init' and reboot to make the ttys behave as they used to.
TTY1, TTY2, TTY3, TTY4, TTY5 & TTY6 should be equivalent. Did you also try Ctrl-Alt-F2, Ctrl-Alt-F3, Ctrl-Alt-F4, Ctrl-Alt-F5 and Ctrl-Alt-F6 to try to find a login prompt?
I almost never login on tty1 myself. I leave the boot messages there for easy reference unless I've already used all other ttys and need another.
Op 31-10-12 14:34, Felix Miata schreef:
On 2012-10-31 14:12 (GMT+0100) Oddball composed:
After i ran "init 3" the complete terminal dissappeared, and all that was left was a horizontal blinking dash.
You have to do that while in VT-1. Where you there? If not, type [ctrl][alt][F1] - press those 3 keys simultaneously, and release when it jumps.
You have to do what I tell you, not other. If you do other things we waste time.
Yes, i was there, because i know how it works: ctrl+alt+F1 > init 3, with other user desktop still active, ctrl+alt+F7>return to other users desktop.
While in tty, i became root, than i ran 'init 3' as you suggested. After i ran "init 3" the complete terminal dissappeared, and all that was left was a horizontal blinking dash.
You can thank systemd for this. Once you have control back, you can 'zypper in sysvinit-init' and reboot to make the ttys behave as they used to.
Ok, i will do that, and see if something positive comes out.
TTY1, TTY2, TTY3, TTY4, TTY5 & TTY6 should be equivalent. Did you also try Ctrl-Alt-F2, Ctrl-Alt-F3, Ctrl-Alt-F4, Ctrl-Alt-F5 and Ctrl-Alt-F6 to try to find a login prompt?
No, as a matter of fact, i was to surprised, and at that stage i lost my keyboard, so i had to use the button to shut down....
I almost never login on tty1 myself. I leave the boot messages there for easy reference unless I've already used all other ttys and need another.
On 2012-10-31 15:51 (GMT+0100) Oddball composed:
Felix Miata composed:
TTY1, TTY2, TTY3, TTY4, TTY5 & TTY6 should be equivalent. Did you also try Ctrl-Alt-F2, Ctrl-Alt-F3, Ctrl-Alt-F4, Ctrl-Alt-F5 and Ctrl-Alt-F6 to try to find a login prompt?
No, as a matter of fact, i was to surprised, and at that stage i lost my keyboard, so i had to use the button to shut down....
If it happens again, boot with 3 on kernel cmdline. If you still haven't figured out how to get 3 into Grub2 menu's kernel cmdline, do 'zypper in grub; zypper rm grub2' and try again.
Op 10/31/2012 4:01 PM, Felix Miata schreef:
If it happens again, boot with 3 on kernel cmdline. If you still haven't figured out how to get 3 into Grub2 menu's kernel cmdline, do 'zypper in grub; zypper rm grub2' and try again.
oops! stuck with a minimal cli... How to mkinitrd from here if there is no kernel booted? Is it possible to boot the kernel from minimal cli?
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On 2012-10-31 17:38, Oddball wrote:
Op 10/31/2012 4:01 PM, Felix Miata schreef:
If it happens again, boot with 3 on kernel cmdline. If you still haven't figured out how to get 3 into Grub2 menu's kernel cmdline, do 'zypper in grub; zypper rm grub2' and try again.
oops! stuck with a minimal cli...
In grub?
How to mkinitrd from here if there is no kernel booted? Is it possible to boot the kernel from minimal cli?
- From grub console, no, not that I know.
- -- Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R. (from 11.4 x86_64 "Celadon" (Minas Tirith))
Op 10/31/2012 7:59 PM, Carlos E. R. schreef:
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On 2012-10-31 17:38, Oddball wrote:
Op 10/31/2012 4:01 PM, Felix Miata schreef:
If it happens again, boot with 3 on kernel cmdline. If you still haven't figured out how to get 3 into Grub2 menu's kernel cmdline, do 'zypper in grub; zypper rm grub2' and try again.
oops! stuck with a minimal cli...
In grub?
Well, before grub, just after bios.
How to mkinitrd from here if there is no kernel booted? Is it possible to boot the kernel from minimal cli?
- From grub console, no, not that I know.
I did not find information about it. I wanted to rescue from the network-install-cd122, but that option is gone. And since there is no kernel booted in the beginning , this option is useless for most people. Repair, boot installed os, install new bootloader, those things, are most valuable. In my Alpha and Beta testing days, many, many times, i have gratefully used these options. Imho it is not very smart to 'dump' those very good and valuable options. What is very important is that these tools are made to rescue the system for that installation. Since these tools are gone longer now, i tried to use older versions, but they had trouble reading new filesystems, or otherwise could not repair certain things. The most annoying was if they could not repair the bootloader, when an installed os could not be booted. In that case a good system became unusable, and had to be reinstalled. And with network-install, that was a disadvantage, because it takes time to download everything.
Using openSUSE, always an exiting experience!
Cheers / Saludos,
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On 2012-10-31 19:59 (GMT+0100) Carlos E. R. composed:
Oddball wrote:
How to mkinitrd from here if there is no kernel booted? Is it possible to boot the kernel from minimal cli?
- From grub console, no, not that I know.
Menu.lst is script. Anything in it can be entered at a grub> prompt. If you have a grub> prompt, and there is an installed and functional kernel and initrd, grub can find it/them, and get you booted by entering appropriate kernel, initrd & boot commands.
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On 2012-10-31 14:12, Oddball wrote:
While in tty, i became root, than i ran 'init 3' as you suggested. After i ran "init 3" the complete terminal dissappeared, and all that was left was a horizontal blinking dash.
I do not know how to solve that. Did you type [enter] there?
Is this a factory install (12.3?)
- -- Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R. (from 11.4 x86_64 "Celadon" (Minas Tirith))
Op 31-10-12 14:34, Carlos E. R. schreef:
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On 2012-10-31 14:12, Oddball wrote:
While in tty, i became root, than i ran 'init 3' as you suggested. After i ran "init 3" the complete terminal dissappeared, and all that was left was a horizontal blinking dash.
I do not know how to solve that. Did you type [enter] there?
Is this a factory install (12.3?)
Nono, just plain 122, seems some systemd stuf. There's an argument about it atm about it, versus sysv.
Cheers / Saludos,
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On 2012-10-31 15:44, Oddball wrote:
Op 31-10-12 14:34, Carlos E. R. schreef:
Is this a factory install (12.3?)
Nono, just plain 122, seems some systemd stuf. There's an argument about it atm about it, versus sysv.
Then we should be having this conversation in the plain opensuse mail list, not here.
- -- Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R. (from 11.4 x86_64 "Celadon" (Minas Tirith))
Op 31-10-12 15:48, Carlos E. R. schreef:
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On 2012-10-31 15:44, Oddball wrote:
Op 31-10-12 14:34, Carlos E. R. schreef: Is this a factory install (12.3?)
Nono, just plain 122, seems some systemd stuf. There's an argument about it atm about it, versus sysv.
Then we should be having this conversation in the plain opensuse mail list, not here.
I agree. I switch now from here: next mail only in plain list
Cheers / Saludos,
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