[opensuse-factory] All things considered...
Even with the various bugs that have crept up (minor ones, at that) ... ... I have got to say, hands down, that openSUSE 11.0 is the absolute best operating system / work environment I've ever run my computer on. It rivals, if not outright exceeds RedHat, on many fronts. I feel spoiled, really ... Compiz-Fusion, for me, as an artist (and a programmer), evokes a nearly spiritual response within me. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Nathan Moschkin wrote:
Even with the various bugs that have crept up (minor ones, at that) ...
... I have got to say, hands down, that openSUSE 11.0 is the absolute best operating system / work environment I've ever run my computer on.
It rivals, if not outright exceeds RedHat, on many fronts.
Down the years, SuSE/openSUSE has been my chosen distro, I use others in VM's and would be comfortable using many, but none would be an automatic choice.
I feel spoiled, really ... Compiz-Fusion, for me, as an artist (and a programmer), evokes a nearly spiritual response within me.
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Compiz-fusion, spinning things, colourful butterflies and LED fans I can cheerfully do without. Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, Licensed Private Pilot Emeritus IBM/Amdahl Mainframes and Sun/Fujitsu Servers Tech Support Specialist, Cricket Coach Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Sid Boyce wrote:
Nathan Moschkin wrote: [pruned]
I feel spoiled, really ... Compiz-Fusion, for me, as an artist (and a programmer), evokes a nearly spiritual response within me.
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Compiz-fusion, spinning things, colourful butterflies and LED fans I can cheerfully do without. Regards Sid.
Agreed. I had KDE3 and KDE4 installed; with KDE3, and running glxgears, I got 3770+fps from my video card but rebooting into KDE4 this figure dropped to the low end of 2000fps. Seems valuable resources are being used up which would otherwise be available to productive applications. But then what do I know? Ciao. -- If you don't succeed you run the risk of failure. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Basil Chupin wrote:
I had KDE3 and KDE4 installed; with KDE3, and running glxgears, I got 3770+fps from my video card but rebooting into KDE4 this figure dropped to the low end of 2000fps. Seems valuable resources are being used up which would otherwise be available to productive applications. But then what do I know?
I'm right brained, and I really like things when they're neat and pretty, it also evokes, in me a sense of futurism, which is good. Not a whole lot of right-brained programmers out there, I take it, eh? I have a lot on my plate ... in addition to programming I'm also an artist. So, one could say that the compiz-fusion package, itself, is a part of my production process, since sometimes all I really need to do to get over a problem in a job is zone out. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 2:11 PM, Sid Boyce <sboyce@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
Down the years, SuSE/openSUSE has been my chosen distro, I use others in VM's and would be comfortable using many, but none would be an automatic choice.
I've stuck with SuSE since v5.3. While I have used others, I just stick with it. Between YaST and the polish, it's still one of the best distros around.
Compiz-fusion, spinning things, colourful butterflies and LED fans I can cheerfully do without.
I agree. It's one of the cases of "Let's make use of this - now how about this". At least it's an option and not a requirement like OS X. I have not found anything good about KDE v4. It's way different from v3.x, and it reminds me way too much of Vista. I installed a copy of SuSE v8.1 on an old Thinkpad, and it even had KDE v3. That was from 2002. Really wasn't much different from what I am using now. And, coming from OS/2, I find KDE a lot like the good old WorkPlace Shell. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Larry Stotler wrote:
On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 2:11 PM, Sid Boyce<sboyce@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
Down the years, SuSE/openSUSE has been my chosen distro, I use others in VM's and would be comfortable using many, but none would be an automatic choice.
I've stuck with SuSE since v5.3. While I have used others, I just stick with it. Between YaST and the polish, it's still one of the best distros around.
Compiz-fusion, spinning things, colourful butterflies and LED fans I can cheerfully do without.
I agree. It's one of the cases of "Let's make use of this - now how about this". At least it's an option and not a requirement like OS X.
I have not found anything good about KDE v4. It's way different from v3.x, and it reminds me way too much of Vista. I installed a copy of SuSE v8.1 on an old Thinkpad, and it even had KDE v3. That was from 2002. Really wasn't much different from what I am using now. And, coming from OS/2, I find KDE a lot like the good old WorkPlace Shell. --------------------------------------------------------------------- I'm running KDE4 on 3 boxes with kde3 kicker, but for a few differnces mostly in stuff like konsole only ever coming up with 1 tab, hardly any
That's another plus I hadn't thought of, it's an option. Tried compiz in its earlier days and didn't see it added anything useful. problems noticed between them and the other kde3 boxes. Noting it's still an ongiong development, there are bound to be some issues yet to be sorted. OS/2 - nice. Ahead of Gnome RedHat used CDE in preference to KDE and I couldn't believe it, a completely trashy Sun desktop I've always hated. Early Gnome based on CDE was also horrid. Tried Sun Java Desktop (AKA Gnome) on Solaris 10 on an UltraSPARC 5 which was treacle slow and I had to switch to KDE to make it responsive. Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, Licensed Private Pilot Emeritus IBM/Amdahl Mainframes and Sun/Fujitsu Servers Tech Support Specialist, Cricket Coach Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Monday 23 June 2008 22:01:20 Sid Boyce wrote:
Larry Stotler wrote:
On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 2:11 PM, Sid Boyce<sboyce@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
Down the years, SuSE/openSUSE has been my chosen distro, I use others in VM's and would be comfortable using many, but none would be an automatic choice.
I've stuck with SuSE since v5.3. While I have used others, I just stick with it. Between YaST and the polish, it's still one of the best distros around.
Compiz-fusion, spinning things, colourful butterflies and LED fans I can cheerfully do without.
I agree. It's one of the cases of "Let's make use of this - now how about this". At least it's an option and not a requirement like OS X.
That's another plus I hadn't thought of, it's an option. Tried compiz in its earlier days and didn't see it added anything useful.
I agree that a lot of the compiz 'bling' in far from neccessary, but one of the main reasons I keep compiz enabled is the zoomer. The ability to zoom into parts of the desktop to see exactly what's there is invaluable to someone who's sight isn't anywhere as good as it was (and that's not saying much!). Maybe there's a setup that could be enabled for people with weaker eyesight - combine the text to speech on the setup menu with some parameters passed to the installer to enable basic compiz settings that do some good things for people with weaker eyesight, and you could address an audience that would really appreciate the effort. It seems all the components are there, but just need to be tied together. Is anyone up to working on this? Cheers Pete --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Pete Connolly wrote: [pruned]
I agree that a lot of the compiz 'bling' in far from neccessary, but one of the main reasons I keep compiz enabled is the zoomer. The ability to zoom into parts of the desktop to see exactly what's there is invaluable to someone who's sight isn't anywhere as good as it was (and that's not saying much!).
[pruned] Now, the Magnifier I *do* like - and thanks very much for mentioning it otherwise I would simply have ignored it. However, is there any way of getting rid of the cursor once the magnifier has been activated so that the darn thing does not interfere with what one is looking at? Ciao. -- If you don't succeed you run the risk of failure. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 24 June 2008 04:40:31 Basil Chupin wrote:
Pete Connolly wrote:
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I agree that a lot of the compiz 'bling' in far from neccessary, but one of the main reasons I keep compiz enabled is the zoomer. The ability to zoom into parts of the desktop to see exactly what's there is invaluable to someone who's sight isn't anywhere as good as it was (and that's not saying much!).
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Now, the Magnifier I *do* like - and thanks very much for mentioning it otherwise I would simply have ignored it.
However, is there any way of getting rid of the cursor once the magnifier has been activated so that the darn thing does not interfere with what one is looking at?
Ciao.
Hi Basil Alas, i can't find a way of hiding that - I have to keep moving the cursor out of the way to see the magnified content. This might be worthy of a bug report to the compiz team. Cheers Pete --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Pete Connolly wrote:
On Tuesday 24 June 2008 04:40:31 Basil Chupin wrote:
Pete Connolly wrote:
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I agree that a lot of the compiz 'bling' in far from neccessary, but one of the main reasons I keep compiz enabled is the zoomer. The ability to zoom into parts of the desktop to see exactly what's there is invaluable to someone who's sight isn't anywhere as good as it was (and that's not saying much!).
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Now, the Magnifier I *do* like - and thanks very much for mentioning it otherwise I would simply have ignored it.
However, is there any way of getting rid of the cursor once the magnifier has been activated so that the darn thing does not interfere with what one is looking at?
Ciao.
Hi Basil
Alas, i can't find a way of hiding that - I have to keep moving the cursor out of the way to see the magnified content. This might be worthy of a bug report to the compiz team.
Thanks for looking. I wouldn't say that it is a bug but probably a necessary enhancement. The other thing is that in many applications the cursor goes transparent after a few seconds but then reappears as soon as it is moved. The last bit is not wanted but the first part is. Perhaps there is already some setting which would at least make the cursor go transparent. I'll play around with this idea later. Ciao. -- It's not possible to operate honestly using a basis of dishonesty. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Basil Chupin wrote:
Pete Connolly wrote:
On Tuesday 24 June 2008 04:40:31 Basil Chupin wrote:
Pete Connolly wrote:
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I agree that a lot of the compiz 'bling' in far from neccessary, but one of the main reasons I keep compiz enabled is the zoomer. The ability to zoom into parts of the desktop to see exactly what's there is invaluable to someone who's sight isn't anywhere as good as it was (and that's not saying much!). [pruned]
Now, the Magnifier I *do* like - and thanks very much for mentioning it otherwise I would simply have ignored it.
However, is there any way of getting rid of the cursor once the magnifier has been activated so that the darn thing does not interfere with what one is looking at?
Ciao.
Hi Basil
Alas, i can't find a way of hiding that - I have to keep moving the cursor out of the way to see the magnified content. This might be worthy of a bug report to the compiz team.
Thanks for looking. I wouldn't say that it is a bug but probably a necessary enhancement.
The other thing is that in many applications the cursor goes transparent after a few seconds but then reappears as soon as it is moved. The last bit is not wanted but the first part is. Perhaps there is already some setting which would at least make the cursor go transparent. I'll play around with this idea later.
Ciao.
As I'm not familiar I can't relly say, but you can check if "unclutter" is running. I've used unclutter since the early 1990's to hide that infernal cursor that masks part of the text you are reading. With unclutter, the cursor disappears after 10 seconds and reappears when the mouse is next moved. Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, Licensed Private Pilot Emeritus IBM/Amdahl Mainframes and Sun/Fujitsu Servers Tech Support Specialist, Cricket Coach Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 5:01 PM, Sid Boyce <sboyce@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
I'm running KDE4 on 3 boxes with kde3 kicker, but for a few differnces mostly in stuff like konsole only ever coming up with 1 tab, hardly any problems noticed between them and the other kde3 boxes. Noting it's still an ongiong development, there are bound to be some issues yet to be sorted.
Honestly, I'm not very happy with the whole look of the default KDE4. It's too different from KDE3. And, I didn't see that it was any faster, which is supposedly what the KDE team has been claiming. On another note, I just installed SuSE v7.3 with the KDE 2.x and SuSE v8.1 with the KDE v3 desktop on an old Thinkpad, and I will say that KDE4 is a huge departure from either v2 or v3.
OS/2 - nice. Ahead of Gnome RedHat used CDE in preference to KDE and I couldn't believe it, a completely trashy Sun desktop I've always hated. Early Gnome based on CDE was also horrid. Tried Sun Java Desktop (AKA Gnome) on Solaris 10 on an UltraSPARC 5 which was treacle slow and I had to switch to KDE to make it responsive.
Yeah, I really liked the Workplace Shell. If they hadn't screwed up the marketing, I would probably still be using it now. I have a copy of v4.0 somewhere that I've been meaning to install. As for Red Hat, My first experience with Linux was Red Hat 5(in a teach yourself Linux book) and it almost was my last. Fortunately, I found a copy of SuSE v5,3 and I've been using it ever since. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On 2008/06/24 21:54 (GMT-0400) Larry Stotler apparently typed:
Yeah, I really liked the Workplace Shell....I have a copy of v4.0 somewhere that I've been meaning to install.
Unless you try to install it on really old hardware with a by modern standards tiny HD, you'll need to update that CD first: http://www.updcd.tk/ Or, buy yourself a copy of the current version: http://www.ecomstation.com/ -- "Where were you when I laid the earth's foundation?" Matthew 7:12 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Larry Stotler wrote:
On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 5:01 PM, Sid Boyce<sboyce@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
I'm running KDE4 on 3 boxes with kde3 kicker, but for a few differnces mostly in stuff like konsole only ever coming up with 1 tab, hardly any problems noticed between them and the other kde3 boxes. Noting it's still an ongiong development, there are bound to be some issues yet to be sorted.
Honestly, I'm not very happy with the whole look of the default KDE4. It's too different from KDE3. And, I didn't see that it was any faster, which is supposedly what the KDE team has been claiming.
On another note, I just installed SuSE v7.3 with the KDE 2.x and SuSE v8.1 with the KDE v3 desktop on an old Thinkpad, and I will say that KDE4 is a huge departure from either v2 or v3.
OS/2 - nice. Ahead of Gnome RedHat used CDE in preference to KDE and I couldn't believe it, a completely trashy Sun desktop I've always hated. Early Gnome based on CDE was also horrid. Tried Sun Java Desktop (AKA Gnome) on Solaris 10 on an UltraSPARC 5 which was treacle slow and I had to switch to KDE to make it responsive.
Yeah, I really liked the Workplace Shell. If they hadn't screwed up the marketing, I would probably still be using it now. I have a copy of v4.0 somewhere that I've been meaning to install. As for Red Hat, My first experience with Linux was Red Hat 5(in a teach yourself Linux book) and it almost was my last. Fortunately, I found a copy of SuSE v5,3 and I've been using it ever since. ---------------------------------------------------------------------
Quite a number of our corporate customers used OS/2 and we used it as the OS driving our mainframe consoles and HMC's as did IBM on their mainframes. It was a pity when IBM stopped development, it left us in a time warp (pun intended) when they switched to developing a Linux HMC and did not cooperate with us as they did on OS/2. I was using SuSE when I was asked to develop a Linux tools CD (with everything we would need to have in linux to displace Windows) for deployment worldwide in Field engineering, the guys Stateside insisted on RedHat, so I had to change to RH 6.2 in order to support them. When the whole effort died - we gave our Worldwide director the CD's for deployment in the USA, but the guys never got them and the only statement my boss and I could get when we called him was that he thought he distributed them. In those days Linux was a dirty word in Amdahl, they set up a Linux development group of 30 engineers, laid off the lot and months later were trying to hire as many Linux guys as they could. I immediately switched back to SuSE when the CD's didn't reach the guys they were intended for. Despite my building and using bleeding edge kernels and applications, my SuSE laptop never once let me down on the work scene. I know many people have political issues and only political issues with the distro, so won't touch it with a barge pole, but I have found it totally dependable to the point where it's the one I deploy for total newbies and they too are happy. Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, Licensed Private Pilot Emeritus IBM/Amdahl Mainframes and Sun/Fujitsu Servers Tech Support Specialist, Cricket Coach Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
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