Tirsdag den 15. november 2011 19:24:05 skrev Ruediger Meier:

On Tuesday 15 November 2011, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* Greg Freemyer [11-15-11 11:50]:

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I thought packagekit was removed from 12.1?

I have run zypper dup twice in the last 2 days. Both times it claimed packagekit had locks in place and I needed to wait.

With 11.4 I certainly had similar things happen on rare occasion, but 2 out of 2 seems excessive.

I have all PackageKit stuff blacklisted since it exists. Does this make problems on 12.1 now?

Nope. Just means you won't be notified about patches. But that's no different from 11.4 or previous releases with packagekit based updater applets. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

* Roger Luedecke [2011-11-15 20:14]:

On Tuesday, November 15, 2011 07:30:25 PM Martin Schlander wrote:

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Tirsdag den 15. november 2011 19:24:05 skrev Ruediger Meier:

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On Tuesday 15 November 2011, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* Greg Freemyer [11-15-11 11:50]:

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I thought packagekit was removed from 12.1?

I have run zypper dup twice in the last 2 days. Both times it claimed packagekit had locks in place and I needed to wait.

With 11.4 I certainly had similar things happen on rare occasion, but 2 out of 2 seems excessive.

I have all PackageKit stuff blacklisted since it exists. Does this make problems on 12.1 now?

Nope. Just means you won't be notified about patches. But that's no different from 11.4 or previous releases with packagekit based updater applets. Is there another sort of update notifier? I was all happy when Apper was announced until I realized it was KPackageKit renamed.

I am working on an update notifier which will directly interface with zypper and just call YaST Online Update to install updates. -- Guido Berhoerster -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Le mardi 15 novembre 2011, à 18:44 -0300, Claudio Freire a écrit :

(really, package kit simply doesn't work)

Do you have links to the bugs that make it not work for you? Thanks, Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Le mardi 15 novembre 2011, à 19:17 -0300, Claudio Freire a écrit :

On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 7:02 PM, Vincent Untz wrote:

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Do you have links to the bugs that make it not work for you?

Thanks,

In 11.4, I can confirm:

Thanks for the list!

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=679650

Duncan fixed this; it'll be available in an online update.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=692550

It feels like the same bug as the above one.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=679162

That one seems annoying. Maybe Duncan might have a hint about this?

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=681524

Last comment seems to indicate things have improved there. Cheers, Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Le mercredi 16 novembre 2011, à 11:36 -0300, Claudio Freire a écrit :

The second bug (from what I read) refers to the issue of packagekit not honoring the signal to close, when asked to by yast.

It's honoring it, but it can't honor it when it's busy. That's why speeding up the zypp backend is the right thing to do. Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On Nov 16, 11 16:19:41 +0100, Vincent Untz wrote:

Le mercredi 16 novembre 2011, à 11:36 -0300, Claudio Freire a écrit :

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The second bug (from what I read) refers to the issue of packagekit not honoring the signal to close, when asked to by yast.

It's honoring it, but it can't honor it when it's busy. That's why speeding up the zypp backend is the right thing to do.

How dangerous is kill -9 here? That is how I 'helped' yast in these cases. Never had any issues with that approach. cheers, JW- -- o \ Juergen Weigert paint it green! __/ _=======.=======_ <V> | jw@suse.de back to ascii! __/ _---|____________\/ \ | 0911 74053-508 __/ (____/ /\ (/) | _____________________________/ _/ \_ vim:set sw=2 wm=8 SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Jeff Hawn, J.Guild, F.Imendoerffer, HRB 16746 (AG Nuernberg), Maxfeldstrasse 5, 90409 Nuernberg, Germany SuSE. Supporting Linux since 1992. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Am Dienstag, 15. November 2011, 23:02:01 schrieb Vincent Untz:

Le mardi 15 novembre 2011, à 18:44 -0300, Claudio Freire a écrit :

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(really, package kit simply doesn't work)

Do you have links to the bugs that make it not work for you?

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=681592 Sven -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On Tuesday 15 November 2011, Guido Berhoerster wrote:

I am working on an update notifier which will directly interface with zypper and just call YaST Online Update to install updates.

We can get updates pushed when they appear instead of daily pulling? cu, Rudi -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Hello, Am Dienstag, 15. November 2011 schrieb Roger Luedecke:

Is there another sort of update notifier? I was all happy when Apper was announced until I realized it was KPackageKit renamed.

I can recommend patch2mail. It runs as daily cronjob and sends a mail to root if new updates are available. (Obviously you have to read those mails then ;-) Probably not the best option for desktop systems (there's nothing "clickable"), but very useful for servers. Regards, Christian Boltz --

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Hello, Am Dienstag, 15. November 2011 schrieb Roger Luedecke:

On Wednesday, November 16, 2011 12:43:48 AM Christian Boltz wrote:

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I can recommend patch2mail. It runs as daily cronjob and sends a mail to root if new updates are available. (Obviously you have to read those mails then

Probably not the best option for desktop systems (there's nothing "clickable"), but very useful for servers.

Sounds good. Just how do I get to the e-mails?

They are sent to root, and redirected to your user if you checked the "receive system mail" checkbox while creating the user. If unsure: grep root: /etc/aliases Point your mail client to read /var/spool/mail/$USERNAME - that's where the mails are delivered to. (Assuming you didn't edit /etc/aliases.) You can also change the mail recipient in /etc/sysconfig/patch2mail, but changing the root alias in /etc/aliases is usually the better choice. Don't forget to run newaliases after editing /etc/aliases ;-)

I assume this is the same sort of thing that AppArmor does?

No, appArmor currently can't send any mails. (Except if you use something like aa-status -v -s 1 | mail -s aa-status root of course ;-) Regards, Christian Boltz -- [20:01] * mrdocs grabs a snack first [20:01] <suseROCKs> hmm last time mrdocs said he was going to grab a snack, we didn't see him again for a week [from #opensuse-project] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

O very good. I have used KPackageKit on some other distros, and when it works right its alright. The new interface in Apper is especially appealing. I figured it had to with our implementation since it worked fine in Kubuntu and Fedora14. Still maddening, and the persistence of the problems is surprising. On Wed, 2011-11-16 at 11:17 +0100, Will Stephenson wrote:

On Tuesday 15 November 2011 11:13:24 Roger Luedecke wrote:

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On Tuesday, November 15, 2011 07:30:25 PM Martin Schlander wrote:

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Tirsdag den 15. november 2011 19:24:05 skrev Ruediger Meier:

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On Tuesday 15 November 2011, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* Greg Freemyer [11-15-11 11:50]:

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I thought packagekit was removed from 12.1?

I have run zypper dup twice in the last 2 days. Both times it claimed packagekit had locks in place and I needed to wait.

With 11.4 I certainly had similar things happen on rare occasion, but 2 out of 2 seems excessive.

I have all PackageKit stuff blacklisted since it exists. Does this make problems on 12.1 now?

Nope. Just means you won't be notified about patches. But that's no different from 11.4 or previous releases with packagekit based updater applets.

Is there another sort of update notifier? I was all happy when Apper was announced until I realized it was KPackageKit renamed.

Please report issues with Apper instead of putting up your SEP fields.

I'm working a lot with its author at the moment to get things cleared up. You would not believe how many of the problems are actually not in KPackageKit or Apper or core PackageKit, but are in the openSUSE-specific packagekit-zypp backend itself and therefore common to all frontends, even when using the upstream-developed gnome PackageKit UIs.

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Le 19/11/2011 03:54, Jos Poortvliet a écrit :

I'd rather see YaST and esp the One-Click-Install stuff move to PackageKit instead of us writing new tools replacing what PackageKit offers.

sure if this is also cross UI (including ncurse) jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On 11/20/2011 08:27 PM, Bruno Friedmann wrote:

On 11/15/2011 05:47 PM, Greg Freemyer wrote:

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All,

I thought packagekit was removed from 12.1?

I have run zypper dup twice in the last 2 days. Both times it claimed packagekit had locks in place and I needed to wait.

With 11.4 I certainly had similar things happen on rare occasion, but 2 out of 2 seems excessive.

Greg

Actually on factory 12.2 the only non removable packagekit related is libpackagekit-glib2-14

needed by gnome-settings-daemon

All the other can be removed

Yeah I just use zypper to inform me about updates/upgrades

PackageKit is just a dbus service that talks to ZYpp Blame your YaST team, because we haven't had time to rewrite the glue between PackageKit and ZYpp and the current code is a mess or because we haven't finished making ZYpp lock-free for some operations. But don't blame PackageKit. -- Duncan Mac-Vicar P. - http://www.suse.com/ SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Jeff Hawn, Jennifer Guild, Felix Imendörffer, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstraße 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On Tuesday, November 29, 2011 4:41 PM, "Martin Schlander" wrote:

Tirsdag den 29. november 2011 10:23:05 skrev Duncan Mac-Vicar P.:

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PackageKit is just a dbus service that talks to ZYpp

Blame your YaST team, because we haven't had time to rewrite the glue between PackageKit and ZYpp and the current code is a mess or because we haven't finished making ZYpp lock-free for some operations.

But don't blame PackageKit.

But PackageKit builds on an assumption that the backends are working >:-)

If we had a proper zypp based updater there wouldn't be 3-4 different parties involved - where each one has the potential to severely hurt the distribution.

... and has done so consistently for as long as we have had packagekit based updaters. Despite all the effort that tgoettlicher, Will, yourself and others have put into this experiment trying to make it almost work for every release.

Packagekit is based on zypp though, that's the whole point - it uses each distribution's native packaging system. It provides a common interface so people building things like update programs don't have to re-invent their own interface to zypp, yum, apt or whatever. Maybe a start-from-scratch build of an updater would be better, or maybe it would just get into the same issues with zypp locking and all the other complexities of interfacing with zypp. Who can say when no other decent update program seems to be available?* *The online updater in YAST is no good as every user has to remember to start YAST and run it manually every day. Tim -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org