* Richard Brown <RBrownCCB@opensuse.org> [2015-05-06 13:45]:
On 6 May 2015 at 12:43, Guido Berhoerster <gber@opensuse.org> wrote:
The main problem is that SLE and openSUSE have very different target audiences, the SLE kernel targets entreprise customers which tend to use enterprise hardware which is substantially different from consumer grade hardware with completely different lifecycles. Providing a kernel which lags years behind means (even with limited backports) that openSUSE releases likely cannot be used by a large share of endusers using more current consumer hardware (this is particularly an issue with consumer-grade laptops for which driver support is already problematic in the current situation). So I don't think this works at all and makes it much worse that what we have today, i.e. every 8 months a release containing the most current kernel at the time of the release even if its maintenance leaves much to be desired.
Are these statements that the "SLE Kernel doesn't have the hardware support required" based on fact, actual experience, or just theory based on assumptions?
SUSE do lots of work for hardware enablement, there's already plenty in the current SLE 12 Kernel and more on the way with SLE 12 SP1.
As we're not that far away from SLE 12 SP1, the current SLE 12 kernel is probably the 'oldest' it will ever be in regards to hardware enablement, so I'd be very curious to hear of actual examples of people who've downloaded (and patched) the current SLED 12 Kernel from the free trial SUSE offer and found bonefide 'this isn't good enough for my hardware' issues
Huh, are you actually serious? Unless SUSE is planning on backporting every single new driver that matters for endusers using cheap laptops then this is inevitably becomes an issue and moreso than today where we get at least _all_ the latest drivers every 8 months.
You also have to consider that SUSE is currently considering the possibility of not backporting fixes/features but actually changing the Kernel version they use in SLE 12 SP2 (assuming they can maintain API/ABI stability of course), so in our case with openSUSE we'd only have this kernel for about a year.. well maintained, with hardware enablement, and proper security patches.. sure if people can raise actual legitimate problems, I'm happy to hear them but I would prefer if the discussion continued on the basis of facts, not peoples theories about what does or doesn't work in the SLE codebase we now get to play with ;)
And I'd prefer if the discussion continued with less insinuations and handwaving of concerns. -- Guido Berhoerster -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org