Sascha Peilicke - 10:02 3.12.13 wrote:
Quite frankly, I consider this still the best option to have a stable Factory.
It's brain-dead simple and may just require a little social interaction:
0) If you are not subscribed to opensuse-factory@ (and probably packaging /
buildservice), you should not run Factory.
1) So check opensuse-factory@ for issues regularly. If there was a mail two
weeks ago about udev (random choice of mine) being heavily broken and no fix
was pushed meanwhile, it may be a good hint to not update today :-)
2) Asking your colleagues or community friends for their recent experience
often helps to discover such things. When I ask people, I either get "bah, X
is broken again" or "nope, things have been running smooth lately". Of
there's a certain chance that things will go unnoticed, but the ugly stuff
Sounds like a lot of work just to make sure that it is safe to update, which
overall means that Factory is not stable enough to be trusted, which I think
should be changed (not in the perception part but in reality)
3) As coolo said, there's no need to update every
morning, once every two
weeks is more than enough.
When I used to run Gentoo I used to update every other day, but sometimes I
skipped longer periods of times because of vacation or something. Both should
4) Lastly, if zypper tells you some dependencies
can't be satisfied, think
twice if you want to update. Of course that depends on what is broken and how
important it is to you.
This should be something that we can fix automatically.
What we can do though is to make this kind of
information more accessible. If
dunno if it the amount of bugs filed against Factory per week would be a good
indicator, but it could be tried. Add the count of failing packages and some
more and maybe we can come up with some kind of "Factory Health Report". This
could be published somewhere, maybe even sent to the factory ML every Monday.
Just an idea...
Well, we should strive for no failing packages :-) But having some automatic
metrics on how calm factory is right know sound like a good idea :-)
Michal HRUSECKY SUSE LINUX, s.r.o.
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