On 17.10.2011 11:06, Vincent Untz wrote:
Hi Stefan,
Thanks for the feedback, a few comments:
Le dimanche 16 octobre 2011, à 13:42 +0200, Stefan Seyfried a écrit :
Hi,
now I actually tried GNOME 3.2 (with openSUSE Factory GNOME Live CD).
First - it does not start without "nomodeset" on an intel 855GM. Is there a boot parameter to force GNOME fallback mode without disabling modeset?
Even the GDM fails "something has happened - please contact your system administrator". It should try fallback mode if it cannot start the blingbling mode.
There's no way to disable the fallback mode with a boot parameter. I'm not sure it's the right way to do things, although we could probably support that.
I can always boot with "nomodeset", but that disables 3d completely on all my gfx cards. And in gdm I found no way to select fallback mode (but I have not looked too hard, I must confess). So for the user session, fallback mode can be selected, but there should be some way to also do this for GDM. Having a "GNOME3_fallbackmode" kernel parameter does not seem too bad for that as it will enable people to actually boot into their desktop and it can easily found in /proc/cmdline.
FWIW, there is a small tool being run to detect whether the fallback mode has to be used or not. There's a blacklist mechanism in there, and we could add Intel 830-865 there (I see Fedora does this).
And Radeon RV350 - this does start, but with completely garbled (colour noise with moving color noise blocks) display, at least with a 1400x1050 LCD.
On 12.10.2011 19:34, Vincent Untz wrote:
Le mercredi 12 octobre 2011, à 19:28 +0200, Stefan Seyfried a écrit :
On 10.10.2011 11:31, Vincent Untz wrote: * you cannot change the insanely big height of the panel
The height depends on the font size (make your font smaller in gnome-tweak-tool) and your theme (unlucky, we don't ship any other theme right now for GTK+ 3).
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So now advanced critcism: * even with unuably small fonts (scaling factor to 0.5), the panel is still the same size. I can now set the panel to 19 pixels (still at least 3 too much ;) but it stays at ~32 (it only gets bigger if I increase the size above 32 pixels. I guess this is because of the Icons. I have no idea how a non-superexpert user would change this. My customers (family) would kill me for such a setting: HUGE icons / panels and unreadable fonts.
Interesting, that's a bug caused by the user menu. Will see if I can fix it.
Thanks for fixing.
* the same for the window decoration: it shrinked a little bit with the unreadable font, but it is still at least two times too big. I guess it is about ~25 pixels, but it should be <= 12.
Just tried it, feels okay to me. Smaller would make the buttons hard to reach, and I think that's the upstream rationale for this.
Should I send upstream a 1024x768 15" LCD? Those are still in use, even if many people nowadays have 24" full-HD displays. And you need every pixel on such a display. Or they should simply try it with a 1024x600 netbook. Having the default big does not matter - but being able to set a sane size does IMVHO.
* you cannot resize the tweak tool window, but the contents do not fit into the window.
Yeah, this is a known issue: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=649520
Ok. This is also an issue in YaST during install (unrelated to GNOME of course and not yet reported because I'm on vacation).
* alt-right mouse does not resize windows
Did this work under GNOME 2?
I managed to get GNOME 2 to do this with some gnome-config-editor tool. .gconf/apps/metacity/general/%gconf.xml: <entry name="resize_with_right_button" mtime="1296814915" type="bool" value="true"/> Not default, though ;-)
This is all in fallback mode. And this is way worse than GNOME2 ever was. And GNOME2 is still much worse than XFCE which "just works". You can even do "maximize horizontally" and "maximize vertically" like in every other desktop environment ;-)
You can have that by editing your keybindings in the system settings and add a keybinding for those actions. (I regularly use maximize vertically)
Yes, I know. But every other windowmanager / desktop environment just does this by right/mid-clicking on the maximize button. Even compiz does that, just not metacity, gnome-shell (and windows).
Oh -- requiring tracker to be installed (since a recent update, I can no longer uninstall it and I need to check if it is actually started and if I have to get rid of it somehow) is almost as "funny" as the old beagle or KDE4's insistence on starting up nepomuk, strigi, akonadi or similar crap.
You can disable tracker in its preferences. Any reason you have to get rid of it if it's not running? (I see there's actually a packaging bug where the main package is brought in because of some Requires -- without the bug, you would be able to only get the tracker libraries).
I can live with it being installed. I'm just cautious because of the old beagle stuff (which you could only really stop by uninstalling it) and the akonasty and friends of KDE4, which annoy the hell out of everyone. I have not yet had a problem with tracker, so that was an unfounded criticism. After my vacation I will have to find a machine that is actually able to run gnome3 in full glory, it at least looks interesting and in the future, more themes might also help to make it more suitable for those that are tightfisted with screen space as I am :-) Best regards, seife -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org