On 03/24/2017 06:02 PM, Luca Beltrame wrote:
Il giorno Fri, 24 Mar 2017 17:32:43 +0100
Rüdiger Meier <sweet_f_a(a)gmx.de> ha scritto:
because we did not follow SLE in 42.1. And now
for 42.3 it's just
luck that it was not even upgraded to 3.5 already (just to support
latest KDE or Blender).
For the record, I asked for a Python upgrade, I got turned down with
very good reasons, so I cooperated with upstreams (KDevelop) to ensure
their software (kdev-python) would work also with 3.4 (it required 3.5
due to deliberate breaking changes in 3.4.x).
Yes, this case went well as it should, thanks.
However, speaking for me I would have filed the bug at KDE first. It
would never come into my mind to upgrade a well maintained and heavily
used global python installation, plus forcing all our users to reinstall
all their local PYTHONUSERBASE and PYTHONPATH, plus reviewing all our
production scripts for py-3.5 compatibility ... just to get a certain
window-manager running. Moreover there is already KDE in 42.2 which
obviously works with python 3.4.
I'm feeling now like having completely wrong understanding
about Leap. Is it a stable LTS distro or not? Is it a replacement for
One of the desktops (the default) is actually a LTS version, and will
not get upgraded (save to the latest minor release).
like "Let's change it, I think it would
be good. Don't want to
maintain different packages for TW and Leap". texlive was already
You seem to underestimate the effort of tracking a lot of packages for
desktops like GNOME or KDE's Plasma.
Besides, do you want to ship codebases that will not
bugfixes or security updates? Simple utilities *may* be fine, some more
complex programs not.
Well, if certain upstream projects don't maintain their bugs in an way
usable by LTS-distros, then we can either skip such projects or just
provide them as they are including the bugs (this is BTW my
understanding of the major difference between SLE and Leap). Most of our
users are old enough to decide for themselves which software is
promising and which one is not.
Everybody has made his own experiences. For example after KDE3/4 drama I
would never again waste my time with any of these bloated window
managers like KDE, Gnome or XFCE  as I've learned they will behave
differently every year or just disappear. Also they have too many
dependencies ... As a developer I want to select my python or compiler
independent of what is "supported" by my email program ... and moreover
neither my installed python version nor my mindow-manager should not
hinder me to upgrade my email program whenever I want. So simple is that.
 XFCE might be a bit less bad example.
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