On Tue, Jul 27, jsmeix wrote:
Hello,
On 2021-07-27 10:11, Richard Brown wrote:
On Tue, 2021-07-27 at 07:36 +0200, jsmeix wrote:
openSUSE is intentionally set up so that it can exist without paying any attention to what SUSE customers need but I think that is not helpful to move forward.
Considering that SUSE's current customer base is extremely conservative, I think if openSUSE paid attention to what SUSE current customers need then that would have two clear outcomes
1. openSUSE would never move forward 2. SUSE would never get more customers
Again "tertium datur":
If openSUSE did not pay attention to what SUSE current customers need then that would have one clear outcome:
3. SUSE would lose customers
No, it wouldn't because you forgot one important point: (SLES <=> Leap) != Tumbleweed. From SUSEs point of view Tumbleweed needs to move forward to be able to create the next SLES from it with all the new stuff customers want, which are to intrusive to implement in current, froozen SLES/Leap distributions. And this also means new areas like Embedded, Edge and Kubernetes. Not only traditional Desktop and Server. Tumbleweed should not fulfill the requirements of the old very conservative SLES customers, for them we will continue to support old SLES versions in parallel. Like we have/had SLES11 with SysV init for all the customers who didn't wanted to switch to systemd because it was to new for them, while SLES12 with systemd fulfilled the requirements of the customers, which were to restricted by SysV init and needed something modern and flexible. And from openSUSE's point of view Tumbleweed needs to move forward to not fall behind the other Linux distributions. For the conservative openSUSE users, we have openSUSE Leap instead. And for the venturesome openSUSE users we have MicroOS, MicroOS Desktop and Kubic :)
I think a SUSE goal should be "support existing customers" that gets at least as much attention as "get new customers" because only existing customers pay the current costs and likely existing customers will pay most of the future costs.
Correct. And for this we have SLES on the SUSE and Leap on the openSUSE side. For new customers, and especially to fullfill the requirements of current, moving forward customers and to integrate new technology wanted by this customers, Tumbleweed is the vehicle to implement new things, especially if they are not compatible, and either use it for the next SLES or backport to an old SLES. openSUSE Tumbleweed will never fulfill the requirements of SUSEs conservative customers, because it's moving to fast forward. Already only by having always the latest upstream kernel. Thorsten -- Thorsten Kukuk, Distinguished Engineer, Senior Architect SLES & MicroOS SUSE Software Solutions Germany GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nuernberg, Germany Managing Director: Felix Imendoerffer (HRB 36809, AG Nürnberg)