Richard wrote:
On Sat August 30 2008 12:43:30 pm Larry Stotler wrote:
KDE 3.5 (the desktop shell, single apps will) will not be on SLED 11 media independent from outcome of this discussion what to include in openSUSE. Well, then I doubt many corps will use it. SLED and SLES should be
On Sat, Aug 30, 2008 at 5:30 AM, Stephan Binner
wrote: the LAST ones to adopt a new desktop. Look at how corporations are paying extra for the Vista "downgrade" so that they can continue to use XP. Whoever thinks that a corp will migrate to SLED v11.0 when it doesn't have KDE 3.x isn't doing their homework. I've made known my position on KDE4 before and won't bring it up here. While I have updated my main box to the newest 4.1(which happened when I had to re-install KTorrent because it was broken on only MY account), I haven't had time to try it out to see if it was any better.
Until and unless KDE 4.x is a fully functional replacement for 3.5.x, which it is NOT at present, my company will neither install, nor reccommend any version of openSuSE (or any other distro for that matter) that does not include KDE 3.5.x as a choice during installation without making people jump through hoops, downloading stuff from repos (not everyone has easy access to networking and depends on all installable software to be on the distribution media) or requiring deinstallation of a 'beta-quality' desktop and reconfiguration and installation of a stable and functional and currently available desktop currently known as KDE 3.5.9.
When, and IF, at some point in the future, the promise of KDE 4.x is fully realized and is fully functional and not requiring users to file 'bug reports' or 'feature requests' in order to regain functions they already have in the existing release of KDE 3.5.9+, I will be, and my company will be happy to support it, install it and reccommend it, but not until then. We have better things to do than file bug reports or find work arounds for features that currently work satisfactorily in KDE 3.5.9+. If SuSE v11.1 co-releases both desktop environments without dropping the other options (like Gnome, etc), then my and my companies suppport for openSuSE will remain, but if openSuSE doggedly and stupidly insists on creating extra work for me and my employees, then 11.0 is the last release we will recommend or use.
I don't feel we are alone in this attitude, we just aren't as vociferous as the ones as want to ram an inferior, incomplete destop product down our throats in the name of 'progress'.
I'll add, that not only will I NOT use 11.1, but I'll be "done" with openSUSE and Novell....both. There are alternatives and I'll use them for my systems and ALL of my clients. Fred -- "Security" in Windows comes from patching a sieve. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org