On Monday 02 December 2013 16:17:26 Stephan Kulow wrote:
On 02.12.2013 15:41, Robert Schweikert wrote:
Well I HATE rebooting my machine, sitting on top
of Factory would imply
kernel updates on a more regular basis and that doesn't work for me.
Rebooting 2 or 3 times during the 8 month release cycle is more than
enough for me.
If we do not chase the kernel in the new Factory model, but only update
the Factory kernel every 3 months or so when there is a new upstream
release then I am OK with it, but if we have RC releases in Factory and
I would end up having to reboot every two weeks as the kernel release
cycle is approaching a new release that is just not going to work for me.
The fun part about rolling release you can decide yourself when to jump
on it. There is no reason to update daily.
Quite frankly, I consider this still the best option to have a stable Factory.
It's brain-dead simple and may just require a little social interaction:
0) If you are not subscribed to opensuse-factory@ (and probably packaging /
buildservice), you should not run Factory.
1) So check opensuse-factory@ for issues regularly. If there was a mail two
weeks ago about udev (random choice of mine) being heavily broken and no fix
was pushed meanwhile, it may be a good hint to not update today :-)
2) Asking your colleagues or community friends for their recent experience
often helps to discover such things. When I ask people, I either get "bah, X
is broken again" or "nope, things have been running smooth lately". Of
there's a certain chance that things will go unnoticed, but the ugly stuff
3) As coolo said, there's no need to update every morning, once every two
weeks is more than enough.
4) Lastly, if zypper tells you some dependencies can't be satisfied, think
twice if you want to update. Of course that depends on what is broken and how
important it is to you.
What we can do though is to make this kind of information more accessible. If
dunno if it the amount of bugs filed against Factory per week would be a good
indicator, but it could be tried. Add the count of failing packages and some
more and maybe we can come up with some kind of "Factory Health Report". This
could be published somewhere, maybe even sent to the factory ML every Monday.
Just an idea...
So I am running Factory as of yesterday. I don't experience any issues besides
plasma-networkmanager being unable to load. NetworkManager works, so all
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