- subfs has been dropped and will be replaced by hal plus gnome-volume-manager (under GNOME) and some binary for KDE. non-KDE and non-GNOME users have to mount manually. They cant even put a line into /etc/fstab, so that a user can mount it.
And that was an error on my part, adding a line to /etc/fstab is possible but we prefer to not do it and let the automatics work - users can add it.
Oh good, I was about to make an exasperated post... I don't actually know what's so bad about subfs. I do know that not being able to change mount options in 10.0 is <censored>, but that's hardly due to subfs. Good things in 10.0: plug n go in less than 10 seconds, usually less than 5. Perfect. This includes inserted CDs/DVDs - good. I don't want to have to mount disks, one less thing to have to explain to $RELATIVE. Perfect. Come to think of it, I don't want to have to mount my flashcards either, thank you very much. I don't see the point of being bothered with having to mount *any* removable media manually. I've been selling SUSE with "hey mounting is a thing of the past, that all goes automagic now, no need to even think about it". People love that. Issues: 1) sync with flash cards. With sync, it's unusably slow, without sync, it's unusably dangerous. Either way, it's unusable. Solution three is needed please. How about calling sync on the filesystem every second? Keeps the block buffer use down and hardly slows down the writing, flash memory is slow enough anyway. 2) Mount options. Just who had this rotten idea of mounting files on vfat flash 755? Whatever, I want to fix that. On 10.0, it cost me half a day and a lot of expletives which didn't go into an email. Please, mount options come from /etc/fstab, not from some convert-everything-to-bloody-xml-and-read-manual-for-hours disease a la *.fdi or some hald-subfs-mount crap. Actually, a half-as-braindead hald-subfs-mount would fix it: first, actually read the variables set by hald and documented in the hald docs instead of graciously ignoring them, second, complement/overwrite them with what's in /etc/fstab, in that order, so fstab has precedence. If some default is used without any entry in /etc/fstab, that's fine by me, but can you make it something sane please, like including nosuid,nodev,noexec,fmask=137,dmask=027 ? I need to change mount options for DVDs too, otherwise I can't read my ext2 DVDs (the only fs useful for proper backups). 3) DVD burning. I exchanged a lot of emails with Andy the last fortnight. Problems: setfacl $user /dev/dvdrecorder, and a mounted /media/dvdrecorder. Then $user cranks up growisofs, inserts a non-blank DVD, and the trouble starts. a) That disk is mounted, then overwritten by growisofs WHILE THE FILESYSTEM ON IT IS MOUNTED. Thanks in part to SUSE making sure that growisofs does *not* unmount subfs (bad idea(TM)). b) $user has rw access to /dev/dvdrecorder during burn. This is just begging for coasters. Some stracing shows that in a lot of place open(,O_EXCL) is used, but not everywhere. The whole situation sucks and needs fixing urgently. But it's better than 9.2 - stick in flash card, turn the monitor off for a minute or two, because it has about the same effect. Volker -- Volker Kuhlmann is possibly list0570 with the domain in header http://volker.dnsalias.net/ Please do not CC list postings to me.