Hi,
On Friday 11 October 2013 13:29:52 Richard Brown wrote:
> On 11 October 2013 08:33, Ludwig Nussel <ludwig.nussel@suse.de> wrote:
> > Guido Berhoerster wrote:
> >> why haven't there been any openQA runs on Factory and 13.1? At
> >> Beta/RC time it is more important than ever and there are e.g.
> >> problems net-installing the Xfce desktop post-Beta1 where openQA
> >> would really be helpful.
> >
> > In spring the openSUSE team made a sprint to enhance openQA to make it
> > even more useful for release testing. We mostly succeeded¹²³.
> > Unfortunately we ran out of time to implement proper user managment.
> > Since this new version allows interactive editing and rescheduling of
> > tests in the web interface that is pretty much mandatory to run openQA
> > in public though. So at the moment we have to run our release tests on a
> > private instance unfortunately. That is a pity of course as we could
> > really use more hands to evaluate and fix the test results. So we hope
> > to be able to address this in the future.
> >
> > Meanwhile contributions are welcome nevertheless of course.
> > Running your own instance should be rather easy if you have a
> > sufficiently powerful machine. There's a tutorial in os-autoinst how to
> > install openQA from packages[4].
> >
> > cu
> > Ludwig
> >
> > [1] https://github.com/openSUSE-Team/openQA,
> > [2] https://github.com/openSUSE-Team/os-autoinst
> > [3] https://build.opensuse.org/project/show/devel%3AopenQA
> > [4]
> > https://github.com/openSUSE-Team/os-autoinst/blob/master/doc/tutorial.pdf
>
> hmm, that is dreadfully disappointing
>
> I consider openQA an important community service, and it's sad to
> think that it's no longer available to the community. As a regular
> tester of openSUSE, I find it invaluable to have a reference to
> compare a lot of my own tests against. If I no longer have that, my
> ability to test openSUSE is going to be hindered.
>
> I appreciate the effort the openSUSE Team made to improve openQA, but
> if the situation really is that the community cant use openQA at all
> now unless they install it themselves, then I'm really not sure we can
> call the current situation an 'improvement'
The openSUSE Team at SUSE do not maintain openqa.opensuse.org. It is run under Bernhard's coordination with a remarkable effort, by the way.
We have developed some improvements in openQA in close communication with upstream (Bernhard). He is the one that will decides which improvements should be implemented and which don't in the openQA service.
We developed the openQA V2 in the open and improved the installation to make it easier than it was. There is room for improvements though. Meanwhile, the openSUSE Team have a V2 instance internally to test the distro and the improvements done.
>
> Given I cant see how the new openQA works, forgive me if this is a
> stupid suggestion, but surely a public view of the results from openQA
> wouldn't need any editing, rescheduling or user management.. can we
> have that added/restored to openQA and have the openSUSE openQA
> instance restored as a community service as soon as possible?
If we talk about the development, we have worked in the open, as expected. If you talk about the service, we do not intend to provide an alternative service of openQA for openSUSE. That makes no sense from our point of view and it would be unfair with upstream.
So answering your request, we have nothing to restore. We are waiting for upstream to migrate the open service to the following version so we all can use it in the open. Obviously we will help in this task when required.
openqa.opensuse.org is a great service and, as some of you mentioned, has an increasing impact in our development process. I invite you to collaborate with Bernhard on it. We will also help when we can. These days we are focused in other tasks and we cannot, but we expect to have a time window to put effort on it during the first half of next year.
Saludos
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Agustin Benito Bethencourt
openSUSE Team Lead at SUSE
abebe@suse.com