On Tue, Mar 28, Joe Salmeri wrote:

On 3/27/23 02:31, Thorsten Kukuk wrote:

It is really a bad idea to add many random people who have nothing to do
with the problem, but not including the one for which this bug is relevant.

The correct way to handle it: assign it to KDE, because it looks like a
sddm configuration problem.

I did NOT add random people to the bug.

You did, and I can prove that, since you added me ;)

Still combative I see.

Ok, fine....   I can PROVE stuff too and I don't LIE.

YES, I did add YOU and I explained why.

Since you seem to IGNORE facts, let's review them.

The problem is with a PAM configuration file, let's see what osc reports for owners and maintainers....

ocs maintainer -e pam  returns

Defined in package: Linux-PAM/pam  
 bugowner of pam :  
  valentin.lefebvre@suse.com

 maintainer of pam :  
  josef.moellers@suse.com

Defined in project:  Linux-PAM
 bugowner of pam :  
  -

 maintainer of pam :  
  mc@suse.com, kukuk@suse.com, wolfgang.engel@suse.com, -, valentin.lefebvre@suse.com, -

And kubuk@suse.com is YOU!   Therefore, YOU were NOT randomly added YOU were added because ocs maintainer lists YOU as a maintainer!

So once AGAIN, YOU are LYING and spreading FALSE and MISLEADING information.

Since it was a problem with a PAM configuration file, I ran osc to find out
who the PAM people were and I added those people to the bug.

Again, your list did contain many random peole who have nothing to do
with PAM anymore, maybe in the past.

If ocs reports WRONG information, that is not on me, I trust your tools to provide the correct information, otherwise what good are they?

What you wanted to achieve is, that somebody is looking at your bug
with high priority immeaditly.
But with your action, what you have achieved, is more people get more
for them useless bug reports and as result more people ignore bugzilla
notifications. So exactly the opposite of what you wanted to achieve.

Ok, let's see if that is true or if YOU are LYING yet again and spreading FALSE information.

Here's the list of people that I added

ckornacker@suse.com                      Listed as of PAM ( when osc maintainer used with -e option )
fabian@ritter-vogt.de                        Listed as maintainer of sddm
jmscdba@gmail.com                         me
josef@moeller@suse.com                Listed as maintainer of pam
kukuk@suse.com                                Listed as maintainer of pam
mc@suse.com                                     Listed as maintainer of pam
mkountny@suse.com                        NOT added by me, they were added by fabian because he wants more information
systemd-maintainers@suse.de        NOT added by me, they were added by fabian because he wants more information
valentine@lefebvre@suse.com        Listed as bug owner of pam and maintainer of pam
wolfgang.engel@suse.com                Listed as maintainer of pam

So once AGAIN, YOU are LYING because every SINGLE person that I added are listed as either a PAM bug owner OR a PAM maintainer.

How exactly is the typical end user supposed to determine that KDE was the
correct component ?

You had this problem with KDE, so you select KDE.

No I had this problem with the PAM configuration which is Security related.    KDE works perfectly and has NO problems.

More LIES and false information.

A LARGE percentage of the time when submitting bug reports, the component or
area that I want to assign a bug to is NOT in the list.

That's why there are components like "Basesystem", "other", or "KDE".

Well since the bug is Security related, I picked Security since that seems like the most appropriate Component.

So you suggest I add the bug and specify a component which is so broad and general and so that even more people have to review and get involved which are not even related to the actual problem area???

Seems to me that what you are suggesting is exactly what you are complaining about

Everyone is NOT intimately familiar with every piece of software to know
which items belong in the various categories when they are NOT in the
component list.

Absolut correct. And why do you then add random people if you don't know
if they are responsible?

Still LYING I see.    I have already PROVED beyond an doubt that I did NOT add ANY random people, I only added people involved with bugs and maintaining PAM.

Seriously, why do you keep LYING and making FALSE accusations?

I'll bet a large number of bug reports submitted are NOT anywhere near as
detailed OR  clear as the bug report I submitted.

This has nothing to do with adding random people to bug reports.

No matter how many times you CONTINUE to LIE it does not magically make it become true.

I have already exposed your LIE but you continue to tell it

Most developers would be extremely grateful if all the bug reports they
received were as well written and debugged as what I submitted.

This has nothing to do with adding random people to bug reports.

Wow, seems that you must be a serial LIAR.

What is the best method for making sure the correct people are notified
about the bug?

Not by adding random people to that bug :(

Your pants must be on fire with all these LIES.

Create a bug, select the _correct_ _component_ (so KDE) and let the
people do their job.

About your bug: you added 7 people and a mailing list, but the relevant
people are still missing...

Providing misleading statements indicating that I just added random people
to the bug is also NOT a very good method for addressing a bug.

But you did add random people to the bug!
The statement is not misleading.

How can you claim that you did not add random people to the bug if the
people you add tell you the opposite?

Because I already PROVED that I did not add random people I only added people what are listed as the bug owner or maintainer of the PAM modules.

NOBODY was RANDOM.  

Still LYING I see and making claims which have been PROVED to be false.

The logic for why I added those people is quite easy to follow and
understand why I came to the conclusion that they were the best ones to
notify.

And I tell you that your logic was wrong. 

Well considering how much you LIE, that statement lacks ANY credibility.   

Considering people that have worked with me over the last 35+ years, they will tell you that I don't LiE and that my logic is generally well thought out and correct many more times than it is wrong.

The bug report history also PROVES that you are WRONG because the EXACT people that *I* added debugged the problem and found the source to be with the systemd PAM configuration.

In FACT, ( you should try using FACTS in your discussions ) upstream already made the change that they found MISSING from the PAM config in TW "ages ago" ( their statement ).

Since you are a maintainer of PAM maybe you should spend more time keeping the product up to date instead of wasting so much time spreading LIES and FALSE information.

Making matters WORSE, I changed the problem to KDE because of YOUR bitching and we ended up sending a bunch of emails to people wasting their time because they didn't need to be involved at all.

So who really caused a bunch of people that did NOT need to be involved getting emailed?   YOU did!!!  by telling me to change it to KDE which has NOTHING to do with the real problem.

So instead of LYING and saying I added random people and completely IGNORING
why they were really added, how about providing useful information, like how
to determine what component to assign a bug to when you don't see the
component in the list of available options?

I'm not LYING! Calm down, read again and think about what you did!

So now you LIE about LYING ?   

To quote Daniel Patrick Moynihan

    "You are entitled to your opinion.  But you are NOT entitled to your own facts"

You ARE LYING because you keep saying I added RANDOM people and I have already proven that I only added PAM bug owners and maintainers who are the EXACT people that needed to be involved and also the EXACT people that debugged and will end up fixing the problem.

The facts stand!

Name ONE person that is NOT a bug owner or maintainer of PAM that I added as reported by osc?

Just ONE ( despite your claim I added lots of random people )

You can't, because there are NONE, but I'll bet your next reply will continue to LIE and claim I added RANDOM people

Doing a mistake and then claiming that the people making you aware of
that mistake are lying is really very, very bad habit!!!

Yes, you should listen to YOURSELF because YOU made a big mistake and then YOU continue to REPEATABLY LIE about it!

You need to calm down and learn to read and understand the FACTS which completely DISPROVE your FALSE claims.

Now THAT would be REAL USEFUL!

Don't make wrong assumptions and assign it to the wrong components.
That's the best way to make sure that the correct people will NEVER
see this bug.

Are you this RUDE and disrespectful to everyone you respond to because I
have CERTAINLY noticed a pattern over the years.

Maybe people would do a better job of assigning bug reports to the correct
component if you actually HELPED them instead of being so combative

We are not speaking about compontents, but that you did add random
people to a bug report!

Don't always try to distract from your mistake!

  Thorsten

Seems like you subscribe to the theory that if you tell a LIE enough times people will start to believe it.

Your REPEATED LIES are YOUR attempt to distract from YOUR mistake and YOUR suggestion which actually creates the problem you are complaining about.

I prefer to live in a world where the FACTS are what matters.

-- 
Regards,

Joe