On 2/26/21 10:30 PM, Johannes Meixner wrote:
Hello,
On 2021-02-26 12:35, Simon Lees wrote:
On 2/26/21 8:38 PM, Rodney Baker wrote:
On Friday, 26 February 2021 19:57:49 ACDT Thorsten Kukuk wrote:
On Fri, Feb 26, Rodney Baker wrote:
Moving everyting into /usr/bin, /usr/lib and /usr/etc makes no sense whatsoever to me, but it seems that it's basically a tait accompli (the decision has already been made, for better or worse), so I guess we'll either have to live with it - and the breakages it will initially (and ineveitably) cause, or simply not upgrade past a certain pre-merge release.
From a standard Desktop user view your are right, the usrMerge doesn't make a difference on the first glance. But openSUSE is more than just a Desktop distribution. We provide many more variants like Server, Edge, Embedded. And we provide many features even from interest for normal Desktop users, like snapshot and rollback. And there are also requests and ideas to provide image based updates, not only package based updates. With the current setup not possible.
Fair enough, I guess. Snapshot and rollback are only useful when using btrfs, which I'll never use. They can't replace a well-maintained and properly- orchestrated backup regime, though. In my work world, for all the virtual servers and workstations I maintain (both Linux and Windows), VMWare provides snapshot and rollback capability independent of the guest OS or filesystem, without the overhead of something like btrfs for each VM.
I'll disagree here, both are good, on the very odd occasion where a tumbleweed update leaves my system mostly non working with snapper I can get myself back up and running in a matter of minutes rather then having to pull out backups etc.
Perhaps you mix up a standard desktop end-user's point of view with a "well maintained and properly orchestrated backup regime" in an enterprise environment where as much as possible automated remote administration without user interaction is preferred like "machine X has issues" => "recreate it completely from scratch" (of course that is likely an oversimplified extreme example)?
Like I said as my main point, BOTH approaches have there merits and are worth supporting well. -- Simon Lees (Simotek) http://simotek.net Emergency Update Team keybase.io/simotek SUSE Linux Adelaide Australia, UTC+10:30 GPG Fingerprint: 5B87 DB9D 88DC F606 E489 CEC5 0922 C246 02F0 014B