It’s even weird that this goes into a debate.

I mean, if you are a very skilful driver, you can certainly drive your car backward without hitting anyone or anything. But that’s not a car supposed or designed to do (parking is certainly not counted as “driving”, in case someone challenges this)

When someone telling you about this, then you said “don’t instruct me, I know what I am doing, I have a situation XYZ that I need to drive backward time to time”. That’s really puzzling isn’t it?

From: Knurpht-openSUSE <knurpht@opensuse.org>
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2023 6:01:17 AM
To: factory@lists.opensuse.org <factory@lists.opensuse.org>
Subject: Re: tumbleweed snapshot download. is it mandatory?
 
Op woensdag 14 juni 2023 21:22:13 CEST schreef Patrick Shanahan:
> * Larry Finger <Larry.Finger@lwfinger.net> [06-14-23 13:35]:
> > On 6/14/23 11:58, Richard Brown wrote:
> > > We planned on doing that, but some (very wrong, but very loud) people
> > > complained on this very list
> > >
> > > and so you see the current behaviour, where, if you use up, you get a
> > > nice big purple warning:
> > >
> > > "Consider to cancel:"
> > > "Product 'openSUSE Tumbleweed' requires to be updated by calling 'zypper
> > > dup'!"
> > >
> > > If people ignore that warning on every single `zypper up` call..that is
> > > their loss, and well, obviously ours also because there's yet another
> > > thread about this issue..but if people don't read, I don't think any
> > > solution will ever be good enough.
> >
> > Any chance to make those 2 lines in a larger font, or bold? I just did a
> > test, and they were not entirely noticeable.
>
> and I cannot recall ever seeing that ?warning?.
Give it a try, instead of telling us you don't recall. Here's a recent
pastebin from a reddit user:
==========
The following product is going to be upgraded:
openSUSE Tumbleweed 20230610-0 -> 20230612-0
Product 'openSUSE Tumbleweed' requires to be updated by calling 'zypper dup'!
 
The following 2 packages are going to be REMOVED:
libfreebl3-hmac libsoftokn3-hmac
 
207 packages to upgrade, 2 to remove.
Overall download size: 286.8 MiB. Already cached: 0 B. After the operation,
additional 3.5 MiB will be used.
 
Consider to cancel: Product 'openSUSE Tumbleweed' requires to be updated by
calling 'zypper dup'!
============
I have no idea why this discussion is even going on. Documentation is clear,
release manager(s) has/have been clear. Why not trust that and create non-
documented systems?
On our support platforms we regularly see people that ignore all this and do
break their systems. But, again, why be opiniated about this ?

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