Philipp Thomas wrote:
On Fri, 30 Nov 2012 13:10:13 -0800, Linda Walsh <suse@tlinx.org> wrote:
You can cleanly tear down FS's w/o initrd, and with lilo, you can support all the file systems.
You must be joking! Lilo has no support what so ever as it uses block numbers. The drawback is that you have to run lilo everytime you modify or replace the kernel/
You need to reread what I said. With lilo all the file systems can be supported. I didn't say lilo does anything w/the file systems. I said all can be supported, including the ones Grub doesn't support -- since it uses block numbers directly, no file system drivers are needed.
Be careful not to add the limitations of grub -- which needs considerable OS support,
Rubbish. Grub has its own file system drivers which are also its achilles heel as you can't boot from filesystems it desn't support.
---- It has to considerable OS support -- namely all the drivers for all the file systems you want to support. Unlike, say the kernel which can insert them as needed, if I want to support a new fs, a grub driver has to be written and grub has to be rebuilt. Mirroring your issue above -- every time you add or remove a file system, you have to rebuild grub -- a far more complex task than an automated run of lilo which takes about 1/100th the time as it does to build a kernel. You make it sound like running it is a problem. If you add it as part of your kernel build, you don't have to run it. It simply becomes part of installing a new kernel. If you want to add a new fs, updating grub involves writing or adapting the kernel driver (more OS support). I have have been told people have problems getting grub to use a built-in, text-mode, screen and that it defaults to a frame-buffer requiring basic graphics support. It doesn't seem it is possible to use linux device names, and to get disk-label support, it needs an OS so it can get udev support.
Heaven forbid a female would have any input into the linux boot process, let alone an outspoken one like me. How could any woman have any ideas about linux that wouldn't be inferior to anything men come up with?
That's making it too easy by simply discarding all critique as being based on sexism. That totally neglects that there could be other, possibly more prominent reasons why your ideas are rejected.
I wasn't talking so much about my ideas, specifically, but more the structure of the ideas and how decisions are made. Gender gets used as a 'short-hand' for a host of gender-related issues even though the issue themselves may have no ostensible gender connection. Note: a non-trivial percentage of either gender favors "styles" of the 'opposite' gender, and a majority of either sex is capable of using either. However, the male-centric bias appears stronger in the technical computer arena. Open-source projects seem to be more heavily biased along those lines for various reasons (fewer layers of managers, doc and test writing that tend to to force more retrospection of code and development, as one example). I believe you will find more males used to win/lose discussions and fewer who would be more committed to finding win-win scenarios. Very often I see dominance used to force their ideas down other people's throats: "This is the way we are doing things, get over it", etc... s -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org