* Marcus Meissner <meissner(a)suse.de> [2013-11-08 11:41]:
On Fri, Nov 08, 2013 at 10:01:18AM +0800, Marguerite
On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 7:01 AM, Joschi Brauchle
I would also like to express my vote to keep Adobe Reader available in an
openSUSE customized version! Maybe not in NON-OSS repo, but possibly in
I would like to mention the basic design theory of Packman:
1. it's a separate project from openSUSE. eg, building packages for
openSUSE project doesn't mean they're the same.
2. it's an open source project. it aims to "workaround" for open
source multimedia projects that upstream warned about potential pa*ent
So a known commercial proprietary product isn't able to be in Packman,
esp. when it needs a new redistribution promission from Adobe. The
previous permission was issued to SUSE Linux and openSUSE. But not for
Packman. And Packman isn't able to accquire such permission, I think.
I don't know how exactly Packman is designed to be a firewall in law,
but it's common sense, if you're able to receive something from a
company, of course you're able to receive summon from a court too. So
I think maybe a non-existent-in-law project isn't an entity for just
deals. Meanwhile, as Adobe declared unmaintenance itself, of course it
will not issue such permissions after that.
License is not a big issue for Adobe Reader.
It requires a click-through shrinkwrap license. So having a license
confirmation dialog is sufficient.
No special contracts requried according to our understanding for Adobe
Huh? From the Adobe Reader Licensing Agreement:
3.3 Distribution. This license does not grant you the right
to sublicense or distribute the Software. For information
about obtaining the right to distribute the Software on
tangible media or through an internal network or with your
product or service please refer to
about Adobe Reader; or http://www.adobe.com/go/licensing
information about the Adobe Runtimes.
apply for a license to distribute the reader under the following
3.2 Distribution. Distributor may:
(c) Distribute the Software, with the exception of ARH, as a
part of or with Distributor Product or Distributor Service
(i) through electronic means such as electronic download
--including, without limitation, electronic software
download-- for example bundled in Distributor’s installer,
which in turn, is downloaded through the Internet and (ii) on
physical media (such as CD-ROMs, DVDs, hard disk, etc.).
(d) Distribute ARH only (i) as bundled with the Distributor
Product or Service and (ii) (y) through electronic means such
as electronic download --including, without limitation,
electronic software download-- for example bundled in
Distributor's installer, which in turn, is downloaded through
the Internet and (z) on physical media (such as CD-ROMs,
DVDs, hard disk, etc.).
In all cases the Software is to be distributed in complete
form and only for purposes of complete installation and use
by the end user. The Software shall not be configured or
distributed for use without installation.
So that would not allow the package in its current form to be
distributed either, furthermore there is no legal entity behind
Packman which could negotiate a custom license to distribute and
even if there were this would pose a problem for mirrors.
Apart from that it will not enter Packman for the same reason it
was removed from openSUSE so this whole discussion is growing
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