Hi,

we have draw a picture of how the process works right now. We have not defined how the process should look like or how we want it to be.

As any of you can see in the documentation (both, the development process and the release process) there are many "hidden tasks" that are still done within SUSE. In fact, many more than even I thought a year ago.

The first step has been documenting them and make them public. In the Release process we have opened already several of them. We will continue in that direction. The same applies to the Development process.

So I take these complains as points of improvements for the future. The goal of my team is keep opening the process. We need more people to take responsibilities though. There we have a challenge.

On Thursday 19 September 2013 21:33:50 Dimstar / Dominique Leuenberger wrote:

> On Don, 2013-09-19 at 12:03 -0400, Robert Schweikert wrote:

> > On 09/18/2013 12:05 PM, Agustin Benito Bethencourt wrote:

> > > Hi,

> > >

> > > if you get bored of testing 13.1 Beta, do not hesitate in providing us

> > > feedback :-)

> > >

> > > Link: https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Development_Process

> >

> > Hmm, what makes SUSE employees special? Are we more dense than other

> > contributors or "those potentially interested in joining" that a

> > document has to be created that is intended to "Explain the process to

> >

> >SUSE employees" ?

>

> AMEN to that!

>

> > SUSE employees that are already contributing should be involved in this

> > discussion and provide feedback like everyone else, and those that are

> > not, should not be singled out or receive special status from "those

> > potentially interested in joining." If the language in the documentation

> > suggests that there is a higher level of "citizenship" to be obtained by

> > being a SUSE employee than we have wasted 5 years of effort in

> > overcoming the perception that such a higher level of citizenship exists.

>

> And a Halleluja!

> We fought hard to have the perception that SUSE is 'a regular'

> contributor to the distribution. We kept on putting posts straight

> trying to imply different.

> A lot of transparency helped in achieving that, opening channels here

> and there. And the 'mood' did settle in for that. Please, let's not

> spoil that and become a corporation vs 'volunteer community' again.

>

> Dominique

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Agustin Benito Bethencourt

openSUSE Team Lead at SUSE

abebe@suse.com