On 11/28/2013 09:56 AM, Michal Hrusecky wrote:
Richard Biener - 15:45 28.11.13 wrote:
> On Thu, 28 Nov 2013, Stephan Kulow wrote:
But we don't have to re-invent the wheel, no?
The closest thing to Debian testing we have is openSUSE
Tumbleweed though it's a very manual process there.
But isn't the proposal to have a Tumbleweed for Factory?
Don't really get the last question, but let me share my opinions. Tumbleweed is
great, but it is a workaround for not stable enough Factory. If Factory would
have been stable enough for everyday use (with only few minor hiccups), we
wouldn't have needed Tumbleweed IMHO.
If Factory is stable enough for everyday use one could argue we should
be able to release anytime. Thus the discussion about changing the
release cycle would become moot.
Yes, yes I know that even if factory is stable enough, i.e. releasable
any time, there would be additional testing marketing etc for a "release
proper". However with at usable factory the testing effort for final
release should be drastically reduced, thus the burden is significantly
lower. Additionally one pose the question whether or not the exceptional
quality we have achieved with 12.3 and 13.1 is necessary to begin with?
I am not saying we should release a crappy distro. Everything is a
compromise. The questions we shold possibly ask are
- Does the improved quality in 12.3 and 13.1 over previous releases,
11.4, 12.1, 12.2 justify the additional effort?
- Does this improve quality benefit our goal of increasing the user
- Does the improved quality help us gain more contributors?
Basically are we getting enough bang for the buck?
Yes, it was nice to upgrade a bunch of my machines to 13.1 with RC1 and
RC2, but despite the exceptional effort in testing we still missed a
good chunk of stuff. I had two upgrades of machines that were still
running grub fail miserably (there is one bug filed.)
The point here is that testing utopia is not achievable, we all know
this, even 100% of test coverage does not catch all bugs, and even the
exceptional test effort produced for 12.3 and 13.1 let some pretty
annoying stuff slip through. Therefore the for 12.3 and 13.1 increased
burden of testing may not be justifiable for future releases especially
if we are aiming for a "more usable factory" model. Thus the release
cycle discussion may just be an unnecessary side show.
Robert Schweikert MAY THE SOURCE BE WITH YOU
SUSE-IBM Software Integration Center LINUX
Public Cloud Architect
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