Hi Cristian, On Friday 06 December 2013 07:54:31 Cristian Rodríguez wrote:
And into this (still) minefield you want to put in another "feature" ??
I do not want to do that, I simply describing what I see as the best possible future path.
I dare to say that SLE will not touch systemd-networkd until at least one RHEL release with it is out for 6 month minimum. Common sense and all.
Redhat is NOT working on systemd-networkd (neither is Lennart or anyone related) so I fail to see how it can be related to RHEL. it is sponsored by CoreOS Inc. , INTEL has submitted patches to merge at least the DHCPv4 implementation of "Connman" (https://connman.net/) as libsystemd-dhcp..other bits from that project that are in the intended scope of networkd (which will NOT target the desktop in anyway) may or may not follow suit.
First off: We started to look into options for the next generation of network interface management 1.5-2 years ago. A lot of stuff was floating around at the time, but nothing really up to the job. There was a virtual team doing this (and I was not part of this). They looked at a number of alternatives including NM and connman, and decided to pick wicked. networkd didn't come up until pretty recently, and it seems there is a lot of parallel thinking going on. Which is good, as it validates our approach over the RedHat approach of extending NetworkManager. FWIW, we did have a pretty good discussion with Tom Gundersen a couple of days ago, where we agreed that we have a lot in common - and we're talking about how to align some of our efforts better.
Until that time is come we all need a working solution and "wicked" seems much more ready to step in. IPv6, bridging, bonding, vpn, vlan are keywords here.
I would prefer that SUSE invest resources improving networkd..also it
Yeah, except that we cannot now. We have a SLE release in 9-10 months, quite a bit of effort has gone into wicked to make it do the things we need a network management infrastructure to do. Networkd looks like a very promising project, but at this very moment, it's too late to switch.
will make me equally happy if they decide not to invest in networkd but instead make networkmanager suitable for the task in question, ending this "One set of tools for servers and a different one for desktops", that will be beyond awesome and is in fact my preferred outcome.(systemd-networkd being the second prize)
Definitely. Fancy working on a gnome plugin that talks to wicked's nanny service in order to manage wireless (and maybe even 3g) devices?
Apparently this is not going to be the case ..unfortunately the only power I have is to withdraw any support,attention or otherwise spend my time dealing with it, plus invest time working in my chosen solution.
You're definitely free to do whatever you want. If you want to help make wicked and networkd converge, that would be really nice.
I remained silent for about 2 days, resisting to comment on this thread but couldn't help it :-) even though I am fully aware it will fall in deaf ears.
EOR (end on rant)
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