On 03/08/18 21:58, simonizor wrote:
On Friday, August 3, 2018 7:15:14 AM CDT, Per Jessen wrote:
simonizor wrote:
These messages look pretty mixed up to me:
https://image.ibb.co/kLcrmK/yadshot08_02_18_211858.png
Ignoring the lack of indentation after follow-up level3, I think they're
correctly listed.
If that's properly listed, then this is just straight up silly. I can't
even click next and go to the *actual* next reply. It takes me to some
reply I've already seen 5 times.
You guys seem to forget that ***ALL*** Tumbleweed users should be
following this list. That becomes a problem when it's not at all
intuitive to use for people who are not used to mailing lists... which
is (believe it or not) the vast majority of younger people. You guys
are basically turning openSUSE into an old boy's club by having ancient
tech running something that ***every*** Tumbleweed user should be
following.
To me it seems like we are trying to squeeze 2 completely different
things into one list which is possibly causing much of the tension here.
1. We need a place for openSUSE developers to discuss openSUSE
development - A mailing list still seems like the best solution for this
to me. Even though the UI for our lists could be improved.
2. A place for tumbleweed users to follow to get updates about , maybe there is a better medium for these
announcements, Dimstar generally posts weekly updates for tumbleweed to
news.o.o and for most weeks this is probably all most tumbleweed users
need most weeks unless something goes exceptionally wrong.
The "Tumbleweed users should all subscribe to this list" comes from an
older period when tumbleweed was still factory and was mostly just the
development branch of openSUSE, at that time pretty much anyone crazy
enough to run factory on anything close to production was an openSUSE
developer anyway and there was a natural overlap that has probably got
smaller over time.
Especially given the changes that we have made to the scope of this list
in the past months i'm now at the point of questioning whether its worth
us suggesting that all tumbleweed users should post to this list given
that bugs and issues are not generally being posted here anyway. The one
remaining thing going to this list of relevance that can't be found
somewhere else is the bot posting the list of packages updated (which
only covers DVD packages anyway).
So replacing mailing lists for everything is probably not the solution,
but maybe someone can come up with a better way of providing info about
"Is tumbleweed broken" so general users don't need to follow this list.
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