On May 29, 18 13:52:26 +0200, Tomas Chvatal wrote:
Dominique Leuenberger / DimStar píše v Út 29. 05. 2018
v 13:18 +0200:
Just curious: did you run this through the SLE fate process already?
There the group is even strictly enforced. Dropping this requirement
the openSUSE side will cause our downstream to suffer from it, unless
they give up on the requirement too.
I so far only spoke with Yast-ers and they would be fine with it from
Which is just a small subset :)
So if you know someone with a stake in this could you poke them to read
this thread? From my side we could drop it even on SLE without pushback
Well, it would require a lot of changes, including the building scripts and
checks, but more importantly on the tools in the OS which have the groups
All not a big drama if prepared and planned, so technically or sure doable.
But not all that is technically doable is good or usefull ;)
I personally like the groups. They give you a good hint what a package is
for. Of course, the _name_ of the package is more often than not useless in
that regard. (As a longtime mutt user, I know what ths package does. But a
newby? Not from the name.)
And then there's the description. For main packages it's normally ok. But
subpackages are a different beast. No release without me filling a few bugs
regarding description or summary bugs.
The groups? Well, they are more often ok than not. Of course, you have
there the problem that you can sort some packages in more than one group.
But in general the mass (at least those used on SLE, from my experience)
are roughly ok - one can always debate the "subgroup", but the
"groupfamily" fits normally).
In my opinion the group can offer a valid starting point if you search
something, but on the other hand I frealy admit that patterns are a better
help for new users.
I would like to keep them, and have them limited to a reasonable amount of
gorups. In reality, the group fileld of a package should not change much.
New subpackages or package splits may require one, but that should not be
a big thing. If enough help is provided - and guidance which group to use.
(There's still the rumour of different group lists that exist. It should
be one. Not two.)
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